President Obama: President Hollande, it has been an honor to welcome you to the White House before, in happier times than this. But as Americans, we stand by our friends -- in good times and in bad -- no matter what. So on behalf of the American people, I want to once again express our deepest condolences to you and all of the people of France for the heinous attacks that took place in Paris. 奥巴马总统：奥朗德总统，此前我曾有幸在白宫欢迎过您，那时的局势比现在要令人愉快。但作为美国人，我们与朋友站在一起——无论顺境还是逆境——始终不渝。因此，我谨代表美国人民，再次就巴黎发生的残暴袭击事件，向您和全体法国人民致以最深切的慰问。
We're here today to declare that the United States and France stand united -- in total solidarity -- to deliver justice to these terrorists and those who sent them, and to defend our nations. In that spirit, with heavy but strong hearts, I welcome you today. 我们今天在此宣告，美法两国团结一致——休戚与共——将把这些恐怖分子及其幕后主使绳之以法，捍卫我们的国家。本着这种精神，怀着沉重但坚定的心情，我今天欢迎您的到来。
François, with your understanding, my statement today will be a little longer than usual. 弗朗索瓦，征得您的同意，我今天的讲话会比平时稍长一些。
I've been traveling, and this is an important moment for our nations and for the world. This barbaric terrorist group -- ISIL, or Daesh -- and its murderous ideology pose a serious threat to all of us. It cannot be tolerated. It must be destroyed. And we must do it together. This is the unity of purpose that brings us here today. 我一直在外访问，而此刻对我们两国和整个世界而言都是一个重要时刻。这个野蛮的恐怖组织——达伊沙，或称达伊沙——及其凶残的意识形态对我们所有人构成了严重威胁。这是不能容忍的。必须将其摧毁。而我们必须共同行动。正是这种目标的一致性将我们今天汇聚于此。
On your visit here last year, you said that the French love America. We love the French. Sometimes we Americans are too shy to say so, but we're not feeling shy today. We Americans love France because we dedicate ourselves to the same ideals -- that all people deserve life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. France is our oldest ally. You helped us win our independence. We helped liberate France from fascism. We owe our freedom to each other. 去年您访问这里时，您说法国人民热爱美国。我们也热爱法国。有时我们美国人羞于表达，但今天我们不再害羞。我们美国人热爱法国，因为我们奉行同样的理想——人人都应享有生命、自由和追求幸福的权利。法国是我们最古老的盟友。你们帮助我们赢得了独立。我们帮助法国从法西斯主义中获得解放。我们的自由彼此相依。
We love France for your spirit and your culture, your joie de vivre. Since the attacks, Americans have recalled their own visits to Paris -- visiting the Eiffel Tower, or walking along the Seine. We know these places. They're part of our memories, woven into the fabric of our lives and our culture. I am very grateful to the French people for the hospitality they've always shown me, and when they welcomed Michelle and our daughters on their first visit to the City of Lights. 我们热爱法国的精神与文化，以及你们的生活乐趣。袭击发生后，美国人回想起他们自己的巴黎之旅——游览埃菲尔铁塔，或沿着塞纳河漫步。我们熟悉这些地方。它们是我们记忆的一部分，编织在我们生活和文化的脉络之中。我非常感谢法国人民一直以来对我的盛情款待，感谢他们在米歇尔和我们的女儿首次访问光之城时给予的欢迎。
By my bed, in the residence, is a picture of me and Michelle in Luxembourg Gardens, kissing. Those are the memories we have of Paris. As early on, I had no gray hair. 在官邸我的床边，放着一张我和米歇尔在卢森堡花园接吻的照片。这些都是我们对巴黎的回忆。那时候，我还没有白头发呢。
So when tragedy struck that evening, our hearts broke, too. In that stadium and concert hall, in those restaurants and cafés, we see our own. In the faces of the French people, we see ourselves. And that's why so many Americans have embraced the blue, white and red. It's why Americans, at candlelight vigils, have joined together to sing La Marseillaise. We have never forgotten how the French people stood with us after 9/11. And today, we stand with you -- nous sommes tous Français. 因此，当悲剧在那晚降临时，我们的心也碎了。在那座体育场、那个音乐厅，在那些餐厅和咖啡馆里，我们看到了自己的影子。从法国人民的脸上，我们看到了自己。这就是为什么这么多美国人举起了蓝白红三色旗。这就是为什么美国人在烛光守夜活动中齐声高唱《马赛曲》。我们从未忘记9·11事件后法国人民与我们站在一起的情谊。而今天，我们与你们同在——我们都是法国人。
It's been noted that the terrorists did not direct their attacks against the French government or military. Rather, they focused their violence on the very spirit of France -- and by extension, on all liberal democracies. This was an attack on our free and open societies -- where people come together to celebrate and sing and compete. In targeting venues where people come together from around the world -- killing citizens of nearly 20 countries, including America -- this was an attack on the very idea that people of different races and religions and backgrounds can live together in peace. 有人指出，恐怖分子的袭击目标并非法国政府或军队。相反，他们将暴力对准了法国的精神——进而是所有自由民主国家。这是对我们自由开放社会的攻击——在这些社会中，人们聚在一起庆祝、歌唱、竞技。他们袭击了来自世界各地的人们聚集的场所——杀害了包括美国人在内的近20个国家的公民——这是对不同种族、宗教和背景的人能够和平共处这一理念的攻击。
In short, this was not only a strike against one of the world's great cities, it was an attack against the world itself. It's the same madness that has slaughtered the innocent from Nigeria to the Sinai, from Lebanon to Iraq. It is a scourge that threatens all of us. And that's why, for more than a year, the United States, France, and our coalition of some 65 nations have been united in one mission -- to destroy these ISIL terrorists and defeat their vile ideology. 简而言之，这不仅是对世界伟大城市之一的打击，也是对世界本身的攻击。同样的疯狂行径已经屠杀了从尼日利亚到西奈半岛、从黎巴嫩到伊拉克的无辜民众。这是一场威胁我们所有人的灾祸。这就是为什么一年多来，美国、法国以及我们约65个国家的联盟一直肩负着同一使命——消灭这些达伊沙恐怖分子，击败他们邪恶的意识形态。
Today, President Hollande and I reviewed our coalition's progress. More than 8,000 airstrikes, combined with local partners on the ground, have pushed ISIL back from territory in both Iraq and Syria. Today, President Hollande and I agreed that our nations must do even more together. U.S. assistance has supported recent French strikes in Syria, and we're going to keep stepping up that coordination. 今天，奥朗德总统和我回顾了我们联盟的进展。8000多次空袭，加上地面当地伙伴的配合，已将达伊沙从伊拉克和叙利亚的领土上击退。今天，奥朗德总统和我一致认为，我们两国必须共同做出更多努力。美国的援助为法国近期在叙利亚的空袭提供了支持，我们将继续加强这种协调。
And as we saw with the attack in Mali, the terrorist threat goes beyond ISIL. This week, I'll sign legislation to sustain our support -- including airlift and intelligence -- to allies like France, as we work together to root out terrorist networks in Africa. 正如我们在马里袭击事件中看到的那样，恐怖主义威胁不仅限于达伊沙。本周，我将签署法案，持续向法国等盟友提供支持——包括空运和情报支持——共同致力于铲除非洲的恐怖主义网络。
We'll do even more to prevent attacks at home. Building on our recent intelligence agreement, the United States will continue to quickly share threat information with France. And in the wake of Paris, and with the threats in Belgium, there's also a growing recognition among European nations that they need to ramp up additional efforts to prevent the flow of foreign terrorist fighters. 我们还将采取更多措施防止本土遭到袭击。在我们近期达成的情报协议基础上，美国将继续迅速与法国共享威胁信息。巴黎袭击之后，加之比利时面临的威胁，欧洲国家也日益认识到，他们需要加大力度阻止外国恐怖主义战斗人员的流动。
As part of that, I'm calling on the European Union to finally implement the agreement that's been long in the works that would require airlines to share passenger information, so we can do more to stop foreign terrorist fighters from entering our countries undetected. And I'm prepared to send teams of our experts to work on this with our European partners to make sure we're redoubling our efforts together. 为此，我呼吁欧盟最终落实酝酿已久的协议，要求航空公司共享乘客信息，以便我们能够更好地阻止外国恐怖主义战斗人员潜入我们的国家。我准备派遣专家团队与欧洲伙伴合作，确保我们共同加倍努力。
Regarding the broader crisis in Syria, President Hollande and I agree that Russia's strikes against the moderate opposition only bolster the Assad regime, whose brutality has helped to fuel the rise of ISIL. We agree that Russia could play a more constructive role if it were to shift the focus of its strikes to defeating ISIL. 关于更广泛的叙利亚危机，奥朗德总统和我一致认为，俄罗斯对温和反对派的打击只会巩固阿萨德政权，而该政权的残暴助长了达伊沙的崛起。我们一致认为，如果俄罗斯将打击重点转向消灭达伊沙，就能发挥更具建设性的作用。
And likewise, President Hollande and I agree that the best way to bring peace to Syria is through the principles reaffirmed in Vienna, which require active Russian support for a ceasefire and a political transition away from Assad to a democratically elected government that can unite the Syrian people against terrorism. 同样，奥朗德总统和我一致认为，实现叙利亚和平的最佳途径是通过维也纳会议重申的原则，这需要俄罗斯积极支持停火，以及实现从阿萨德向民选政府的政治过渡，从而团结叙利亚人民打击恐怖主义。
Finally, François and I understand that one of our greatest weapons in the fight against ISIL is the strength and resilience of our people. And, here, I want to speak directly to the American people. What happened in Paris is truly horrific. I understand that people worry that something similar could happen here. I want you to know that we will continue to do everything in our power to defend our nation. 最后，弗朗索瓦和我都明白，在打击达伊沙的斗争中，我们最强大的武器之一是人民的力量和韧性。在此，我想直接对美国人民说。巴黎发生的事情确实令人发指。我理解人们担心类似的事情可能在这里发生。我想让你们知道，我们将继续尽一切努力保卫我们的国家。
Since 9/11, we've taken extraordinary measures to strengthen our homeland security. Our counterterrorism, homeland security, and law enforcement professionals -- federal, state and local -- they are tireless. They have prevented attacks and they have saved lives. They are working every hour, every day for our security. They did so before Paris, they do so now, and they will not stop. They're the best in the world. 自9·11以来，我们采取了非常措施加强国土安全。我们的反恐、国土安全和执法专业人员——联邦、州和地方各级——他们不知疲倦地工作。他们阻止了袭击，挽救了生命。他们每时每刻都在为我们的安全而工作。巴黎袭击前如此，现在依然如此，而且他们不会停止。他们是世界上最优秀的。
But it's not just our security professionals who will defeat ISIL and other terrorist groups. As Americans, we all have a role to play in how we respond to threats. Groups like ISIL cannot defeat us on the battlefield, so they try to terrorize us at home -- against soft targets, against civilians, against innocent people. Even as we're vigilant, we cannot, and we will not, succumb to fear. Nor can we allow fear to divide us -- for that's how terrorists win. We cannot give them the victory of changing how we go about living our lives. 但不仅仅是我们的安全专业人员能够击败达伊沙和其他恐怖组织。作为美国人，我们每个人在应对威胁时都有自己的角色。像达伊沙这样的组织无法在战场上击败我们，所以他们试图在国内恐吓我们——针对软目标、针对平民、针对无辜民众。尽管我们保持警惕，但我们不能，也决不会屈服于恐惧。我们也不能让恐惧分裂我们——因为那正是恐怖分子获胜的方式。我们不能让他们得逞，改变我们的生活方式。
The good news is Americans are resilient. We mourned the lives lost at Fort Hood, the Boston Marathon, at Chattanooga. But we did not waver. Our communities have come together. We've gone to ballgames and we've gone to concerts, and we've gone shopping. And men and women who want to serve our country continue to go to military recruiting offices. We're vigilant, we take precautions, but we go about our business. To those who want to harm us, our actions have shown that we have too much resolve and too much character. Americans will not be terrorized. 好消息是，美国人是坚韧的。我们为胡德堡、波士顿马拉松、查塔努加的遇难者哀悼。但我们没有动摇。我们的社区团结在一起。我们去看球赛、去听音乐会、去购物。想要报效国家的男男女女继续前往征兵办公室。我们保持警惕，采取预防措施，但我们正常生活。对于那些想伤害我们的人，我们的行动已经表明，我们有足够的决心和品格。美国人不会被吓倒。
I say all this because another part of being vigilant, another part of defeating terrorists like ISIL, is upholding the rights and freedoms that define our two great republics. That includes freedom of religion. That includes equality before the law. There have been times in our history, in moments of fear, when we have failed to uphold our highest ideals, and it has been to our lasting regret. We must uphold our ideals now. Each of us, all of us, must show that America is strengthened by people of every faith and every background. 我之所以说这些，是因为保持警惕的另一部分，击败达伊沙这类恐怖分子的另一部分，就是维护定义我们这两个伟大共和国的权利和自由。这包括宗教自由。这包括法律面前人人平等。在我们的历史上，曾有过在恐惧时刻未能坚守我们最高理想的时候，而这一直是我们持久的遗憾。我们现在必须坚守我们的理想。我们每一个人，我们所有人，都必须表明，美国因各种信仰和各种背景的人民而更加强大。
Related to this, I want to note that under President Hollande, France plans to welcome 30,000 additional Syrian refugees over the next two years. Here in the United States, refugees coming to America go through up to two years of intense security checks, including biometric screening. Nobody who sets foot in America goes through more screening than refugees. And we're prepared to share these tools with France and our European partners. As François has said, our humanitarian duty to help desperate refugees and our duty to our security -- those duties go hand in hand. 与此相关，我想指出，在奥朗德总统的领导下，法国计划在未来两年额外接收3万名叙利亚难民。在美国，前来的难民要经过长达两年的严格安全检查，包括生物识别筛查。踏上美国国土的人中，没有人比难民接受更多的筛查。我们准备与法国和欧洲伙伴分享这些工具。正如弗朗索瓦所说，我们帮助绝望难民的人道主义责任与我们的安全责任——这两者是相辅相成的。
On the Statue of Liberty, a gift from the people of France, there are words we know so well: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free. That's the spirit that makes us American. That's the spirit that binds us to France. That's the spirit we need today. 在自由女神像上——这件法国人民赠送的礼物——刻着我们耳熟能详的话语：送给我你那些疲乏的、贫困的、挤在一起渴望自由呼吸的大众。这就是造就我们美国人的精神。这就是将我们与法国联系在一起的精神。这就是我们今天所需要的精神。
In closing, I want to salute the people of Paris for showing the world how to stay strong in the face of terrorism. Even as they grieve, Parisians have begun returning to their cafés, riding the metro, and going to stadiums to cheer for their teams. Crowds gather in the Place de la République, including a mother who brought her children -- she said, "to let them see that we should not be afraid." As one Parisian said, "Paris will always be Paris." 最后，我要向巴黎人民致敬，因为他们向世界展示了如何在恐怖主义面前保持坚强。尽管仍在悲痛之中，巴黎人已经开始重返咖啡馆，乘坐地铁，前往体育场为他们的球队加油。人群聚集在共和国广场，其中有一位母亲带着她的孩子们——她说，"让他们看看，我们不应该害怕。" 正如一位巴黎人所说，"巴黎永远是巴黎。"
And next week, I will be joining President Hollande and world leaders in Paris for the global climate conference. What a powerful rebuke to the terrorists it will be when the world stands as one and shows that we will not be deterred from building a better future for our children. 下周，我将与奥朗德总统和世界各国领导人一起出席在巴黎举行的全球气候大会。当世界团结一致，表明我们不会被吓退，不会停止为我们的孩子建设更美好未来的时候，这对恐怖分子将是多么有力的回击。
So, President Hollande, my fellow Americans -- let's remember we've faced greater threats to our way of life before. Fascism. Communism. A first world war. A second. A long Cold War. 因此，奥朗德总统，我的美国同胞们——让我们记住，我们以前曾面临过对我们生活方式的更大威胁。法西斯主义。共产主义。第一次世界大战。第二次世界大战。漫长的冷战。
Each and every time, we prevailed. We have prevailed because our way of life is stronger. Because we stay united. Because even as we are relentless in the face of evil, we draw on what's best in ourselves and in the character of our countries. It will be no different this time. Make no mistake, we will win, and groups like ISIL will lose. And standing with allies like France, we will continue to show the world the best of American leadership. 每一次，我们都取得了胜利。我们之所以胜利，是因为我们的生活方式更加强大。因为我们团结一心。因为即使我们在邪恶面前不屈不挠，我们也从自身和我们国家的品格中汲取最美好的力量。这一次也不会例外。毫无疑问，我们将获胜，像达伊沙这样的组织将失败。与法国这样的盟友站在一起，我们将继续向世界展示美国领导力的最佳风范。
Vive la France. And God bless the United States of America. 法国万岁。上帝保佑美利坚合众国。
Mr. President. 总统先生。
President Hollande: [As interpreted.] Ladies and gentlemen, please allow me, first and foremost, to thank the President of the United States, Barack Obama, for the solidarity he has shown immediately as we found out about the terror attacks. He was the first one to call me. It was very late in France, 2:00 a.m., when Barack called -- the President of the United States. 奥朗德总统：（口译）女士们，先生们，首先请允许我感谢美国总统巴拉克·奥巴马在我们得知恐怖袭击消息后立即表达的声援。他是第一个给我打电话的人。当时法国已经很晚了，凌晨两点，巴拉克打来了电话——美国总统。
I would like to express his solidarity towards France, his emotion, his compassion against the horror. And on that night, he meant to tell me that the United States stood by France, that the help that could be provided to France would have no limits, and that we had a duty, a joint duty, to pull our forces together and fight terrorism. 我要表达他对法国的声援，他对这场惨剧的感动与同情。那天晚上，他想告诉我，美国支持法国，可以提供给法国的帮助是没有限度的，我们有责任，共同的责任，集结力量，打击恐怖主义。
I do not forget, either, all of the messages that the American people sent to the French people over the past few days -- the French colors, the French flags all around in many gatherings; these candles in places that represent France here in the United States; La Marseillaise, our National Anthem, sung in official ceremonies. It is true that in 9/11, we all felt Americans. But after the 13th of November, Americans felt French. Our two peoples, together, merged as one, sharing the same emotion and also the same willingness to fight for freedom, to stand for our values. 我也不会忘记，过去几天来美国人民向法国人民传达的所有信息——在许多集会上悬挂的法国国旗、法国颜色；在美国境内代表法国的地方点燃的蜡烛；在官方仪式上奏响的我们的国歌《马赛曲》。诚然，在9·11事件中，我们都感同身受自己是美国人。但在11月13日之后，美国人感同身受自己是法国人。我们两国人民，心连心，融为一体，分享着同样的情感，也分享着为自由而战、捍卫我们价值观的同样意愿。
We are not two similar peoples. We each have our own history. We have our own culture, our own background. But we share the same trust, the same faith in freedom. It is France that came under attack on the 13th of November. France, for what it is -- a country which we consider unique in the world because France speaks to the world -- France came under attack for what it represents, for what it stands for, for its culture, our way of living, as well as our values, our principles. 我们并非两个相似的民族。我们各有各的历史。我们有自己的文化、自己的背景。但我们有着同样的信念，同样的自由信仰。11月13日遭受袭击的是法国。法国，因其本身——一个我们认为在世界上独一无二的国家，因为法国向世界发声——法国因其所代表的意义、所坚持的立场、其文化、我们的生活方式，以及我们的价值观、我们的原则而遭受袭击。
But by targeting France, the terrorists, the cowardly murderers, we're targeting the world in these restaurants, in these cafés, as well as the Bataclan, that concert venue. They were men and women, most of them young, who came from 20 countries, at least. And they shared the same passion for life. And that's the reason why they were murdered. 但是，通过袭击法国，恐怖分子，这些怯懦的凶手，也在这些餐厅、咖啡馆以及巴塔克兰音乐厅袭击了全世界。受害者中有男有女，大多数是年轻人，他们至少来自20个国家。他们共享着同样的生活热情。而这正是他们被杀害的原因。
My thoughts are with the friends and family of a young American student, Nohemi Gonzalez, who came as well to share a moment of culture and joy. My thoughts also go to this American band that was playing at the Bataclan. Our cultures on that occasion were together to bring the same enthusiasm, and they were hit by terrorists. 我与一位年轻的美国学生诺埃米·冈萨雷斯的朋友和家人同在，她也是来分享文化与欢乐时刻的。我也想到了在巴塔克兰演出的那支美国乐队。那天，我们的文化汇聚在一起，带来同样的热情，却遭到了恐怖分子的袭击。
We are facing a terror group which organizes itself on territory. They have some substantial resources. They're thriving on smuggling of oil, drug, human beings. And since the beginning of the year, they hit many countries -- Denmark, Tunisia, Lebanon, Kuwait, Turkey, Egypt, as well as Russia, by taking down a Russian plane. 我们正面临一个在领土上组织起来的恐怖组织。他们拥有大量资源。他们靠石油走私、毒品走私、人口走私牟利。今年以来，他们袭击了许多国家——丹麦、突尼斯、黎巴嫩、科威特、土耳其、埃及，还有俄罗斯，通过击落一架俄罗斯飞机。
So, together with President Obama, today we wanted on the occasion of that meeting, first of all, to share our determination -- relentless determination -- to fight terrorism everywhere and anywhere. We also meant to tell the world that we will not allow those who want to destroy what we've built, we will not allow them to do it -- to destroy what we've built, generation after generation. They will not be able to damage the world. And against Daesh, we need a joint response, an implacable joint response. 因此，今天我与奥巴马总统一道，借此次会晤之际，首先要表明我们的决心——坚定不移的决心——在任何地方、任何地点打击恐怖主义。我们还要向世界宣告，我们不会允许那些想要摧毁我们建设成果的人得逞——我们不会让他们得逞——摧毁我们一代又一代建设的成果。他们无法伤害这个世界。面对达伊沙，我们需要共同应对，毫不留情的共同应对。
France and the United States stand together to bring that joint response. Militarily, it is about destroying Daesh no matter where they are. It is about taking out their financing, hunting down their leaders, dismantling their networks, and taking back the land they currently control. We, therefore, decided, President Obama and myself, to scale up our strikes both in Syria and in Iraq, to broaden our scope, to strengthen our intelligence-sharing regarding the targets we must aim at. 法美两国站在一起，共同应对。在军事上，就是要无论在哪里都要消灭达伊沙。就是要切断他们的资金来源，追捕他们的领导人，瓦解他们的网络，夺回他们目前控制的土地。因此，我和奥巴马总统一致决定，加大我们在叙利亚和伊拉克的空袭力度，扩大打击范围，加强关于打击目标的情报共享。
The priority is to take back key locations in the hands of Daesh in Syria. It is also a matter of urgency to close the border between Turkey and Syria, and prevent terrorists from crossing the border and coming to Europe or other places and undertake such terrible attacks. We also took the decision to work together with our partners of the coalition in Iraq, and to support all of those who are fighting Daesh on the ground. 当务之急是夺回叙利亚境内被达伊沙控制的关键地点。同样紧迫的是关闭土耳其与叙利亚之间的边境，防止恐怖分子越境进入欧洲或其他地方，实施如此可怕的袭击。我们还决定与我们在伊拉克的联盟伙伴共同努力，支持所有在地面上与达伊沙作战的力量。
The aim is to make sure that these forces can be supported, helped by all countries that are willing to act militarily to destroy Daesh. The resolution of the Security Council that was voted unanimously Friday, after being introduced by France and supported by the United States, this resolution provides us with the clear basis to act. 目标是确保这些部队能够得到所有愿意采取军事行动消灭达伊沙的国家的支持和帮助。由法国提出、美国支持的安理会决议周五获得一致通过，该决议为我们采取行动提供了明确的依据。
This is what France is currently doing. Our aircraft carrier, the Charles de Gaulle, is currently in the east of Mediterranean, and allows us to enjoy more capability. Yesterday, for the sixth time after the terror attacks in Paris, we struck Raqqa. In addition, we've been providing some assistance to Iraqi fighters in the region of Ramadi and in Mosul, within the framework of the coalition. 这就是法国目前正在做的事情。我们的航空母舰"戴高乐"号目前正在地中海东部，使我们具备更强的作战能力。昨天，我们在巴黎恐怖袭击后第六次空袭了拉卡。此外，我们还在联盟框架内向拉马迪和摩苏尔地区的伊拉克战斗人员提供援助。
Now, diplomatically, both President Obama and myself have strengthened our cooperation as early as the night after the attacks. And I would like to commend everything that is being done so that intelligence and information available can be used to tackle terrorists and to follow their movements, so that we prevent them from doing what they want to. 在外交方面，我和奥巴马总统一早在袭击发生后的当晚就加强了合作。我要赞扬目前所做的一切努力，使现有的情报和信息能够用于打击恐怖分子、追踪他们的动向，从而阻止他们为所欲为。
Because beyond Syria and Iraq, what they want is somehow to spread fear everywhere so that we doubt, so that we make decisions which are exactly contrary to what we want in terms of freedom and rights. But we will not give in. That being said, we have to defend ourselves and use intelligence. 因为在叙利亚和伊拉克之外，他们想要的是以某种方式到处散播恐惧，让我们产生疑虑，让我们做出与我们在自由和权利方面的期望完全相反的决定。但我们不会屈服。话虽如此，我们必须自卫，必须运用情报。
Diplomatically, we're working on a credible political transition in Syria within the framework of the Vienna process. And I commend the work done by ministers Fabius and Kerry to agree a timeline that will enable a ceasefire, of course, as quickly as possible, and to open up to a process that will lead to Bashar al-Assad's departure. Because we cannot imagine the Syrians getting together, gathering around the leader who is responsible for some -- the most of 300,000 dead in a few years. So a government of unity is required, but that must lead to Assad's departure. 在外交上，我们正在维也纳进程框架内推动叙利亚可信的政治过渡。我赞扬法比尤斯部长和克里部长为商定时间表所做的工作，该时间表将有助于尽快实现停火，并开启一个最终导致巴沙尔·阿萨德下台的进程。因为我们无法想象叙利亚人会聚集在一个对几年来30万人死亡负有主要责任的领导人周围。因此，需要成立一个团结政府，但这必须导向阿萨德的下台。
The Syrian crisis is directly relevant to Europe, first of all, given the terrorist threat, but also because there are millions of refugees fleeing the regime's bombs and Daesh atrocities. If we were to abandon them, we would betray what we are. This is the reason why I reject identifying migration and terrorism. 叙利亚危机与欧洲直接相关，首先是因为恐怖主义威胁，还因为有数百万难民逃离政权的轰炸和达伊沙的暴行。如果我们抛弃他们，我们就背叛了我们自己。这就是为什么我拒绝将移民与恐怖主义等同起来。
At the same time, we must control the borders. Today, people are risking their lives to flee when they travel at sea between Turkey and Greece. Turkey, therefore, plays an important role, and it is together with Turkey that we must find solutions so that the refugees can stay close to their country of origin. And we need to make sure that the required controls, the checks are implemented at the border. 同时，我们必须管控边境。今天，人们冒着生命危险在土耳其和希腊之间的海上逃亡。因此，土耳其发挥着重要作用，我们必须与土耳其共同寻找解决方案，使难民能够留在靠近其原籍国的地方。我们需要确保在边境实施必要的管控和检查。
On Thursday, I will be traveling to Moscow to meet with Vladimir Putin. And I will tell him that France can work together with Russia if Russia concentrates its military action on Daesh, against ISIL, and if Russia fully commits to the political solution in Syria. This is what we want to do -- we want to gather all countries, all those who are willing to find and to implement a political solution in Syria. We do not want to exclude anyone, but we want to make sure that this political solution can eradicate terrorism. 周四，我将前往莫斯科会见弗拉基米尔·普京。我要告诉他，如果俄罗斯将军事行动集中在打击达伊沙、打击达伊沙上，如果俄罗斯全面致力于叙利亚的政治解决方案，法国可以与俄罗斯合作。这就是我们想要做的——我们希望团结所有国家，所有愿意找到并落实叙利亚政治解决方案的国家。我们不想排斥任何人，但我们希望确保这个政治解决方案能够根除恐怖主义。
Lastly, next week -- that is, on Monday -- we will be hosting, in Paris, the climate conference. I certainly could not imagine that this conference would be taking place against such a background. At the same time, I think there cannot be any better symbol or response but to hold the conference in Paris where the attacks took place, where we took the right measures in terms of security protections as well as in defending our values. There is no greater symbol than holding this conference on climate in Paris with some 150 heads of state and government. 最后，下周——也就是下周一——我们将在巴黎主办气候大会。我确实无法想象这次大会将在这样的背景下举行。但同时，我认为，在袭击发生地巴黎举办这次大会，是最好的象征和回应，我们在那里采取了正确的安全保护措施，也捍卫了我们的价值观。在巴黎举办这次气候大会，有约150位国家元首和政府首脑出席，没有比这更有力的象征了。
Never before did France host so many leaders of the international community. They're coming to sort out the climate challenge, and again, to work and to find the right agreement so that we can limit greenhouse gases emissions and make sure that our children and our grandchildren live better, or simply can live. But they are also coming to express their support to freedom, to the fight against extremism, that radical Islam which is becoming dangerous. 法国从未接待过如此多的国际社会领导人。他们来应对气候挑战，再次努力达成正确的协议，以便我们能够限制温室气体排放，确保我们的子孙后代生活得更好，或者仅仅是能够生存下去。但他们也来表达对自由的支持，对打击极端主义——那股日益危险的激进伊斯兰势力——的支持。
Yes, all of them are coming no matter their background, no matter their religion, their convictions, to express the same principle, the same values with the same word -- life. Yes, simply life. 是的，他们所有人都来了，无论其背景、宗教、信仰如何，都在表达同样的原则、同样的价值观，用同一个词——生命。是的，就是生命。
And this is the reason why I am very pleased that President Obama will allow us to succeed. I commend his recent statements over the past few weeks and months, but I also commend the commitments he's made in the name of the United States, as well as in the name of the world. It was very important that one of the most powerful countries in the world, if not the most powerful, and therefore with the highest level of emissions, could also be there to face the future like we've been facing history. 这就是为什么我非常高兴奥巴马总统将使我们能够取得成功。我赞扬他过去几周和几个月来的声明，但我也赞扬他以美国的名义、以世界的名义作出的承诺。世界上最强大的国家之一——如果不是最强大的话——因而也是排放量最高的国家之一，能够像我们面对历史一样面对未来，这一点非常重要。
What we will be doing early next week in Paris means that we can continue to live, as well as protect our lives and that of all children. France and the United States, given their history and the values -- the founding values of both our nations, given our spirits, we both have that duty to act as a matter of -- urgently against terrorism and against Daesh, and at the same time, to prepare for the future. 我们下周初将在巴黎做的事情意味着我们可以继续生活，同时保护我们的生命和所有儿童的生命。法美两国，鉴于我们的历史和价值观——我们两国的建国价值观，鉴于我们的精神，我们都有责任紧急行动起来，打击恐怖主义和达伊沙，同时为未来做准备。
Against that background, even though it is a very dire one, I'm pleased to be with Barack Obama to send across that message to the entire world. 在这样的背景下，尽管形势非常严峻，我很高兴能与巴拉克·奥巴马一起向全世界传达这一信息。
Thank you. 谢谢大家。
President Obama: We've got time for a few questions. I'm going to start with Roberta Rampton of Reuters. 奥巴马总统：我们有时间回答几个问题。我先请路透社的罗伯塔·兰普顿提问。
Question: Thank you. This is a question for both of you. First, what is your reaction to Turkey shooting down a Russian plane today? And does this draw NATO into a confrontation with Russia? How do you keep this from spiraling out of control? And, President Obama, what does this incident mean for future prospects of military coordination -- more military coordination with Russia? And, President Hollande, ahead of your trip to Moscow on Thursday, what are the prospects for closer military coordination with Russia, given what happened today? 问：谢谢。这是一个给你们两位的问题。首先，你们对今天土耳其击落一架俄罗斯飞机有何反应？这是否会将北约拖入与俄罗斯的对抗？你们如何防止事态失控？另外，奥巴马总统，这一事件对未来与俄罗斯进行更多军事协调的前景意味着什么？奥朗德总统，在您周四访问莫斯科之前，鉴于今天发生的事件，与俄罗斯进行更密切军事协调的前景如何？
President Obama: Well, first of all, we're still getting the details of what happened. And I expect to be in communications, potentially directly, with President Erdogan sometime over the next several days. 奥巴马总统：首先，我们仍在了解事件的详细情况。我预计未来几天内将与埃尔多安总统进行沟通，可能直接通话。
Turkey, like every country, has a right to defend its territory and its airspace. I think it's very important right now for us to make sure that both the Russians and the Turks are talking to each other to find out exactly what happened, and take measures to discourage any kind of escalation. 土耳其和每个国家一样，有权保卫其领土和领空。我认为，目前对我们来说非常重要的是，确保俄罗斯和土耳其双方相互沟通，查明到底发生了什么，并采取措施防止任何形式的升级。
I do think that this points to a ongoing problem with the Russian operations in the sense that they are operating very close to a Turkish border, and they are going after a moderate opposition that are supported by not only Turkey but a wide range of countries. And if Russia is directing its energies towards Daesh and ISIL, some of those conflicts, or potentials for mistakes or escalation, are less likely to occur. 我确实认为，这凸显了俄罗斯行动中一个持续存在的问题，即他们的行动非常靠近土耳其边境，而且他们正在打击的温和反对派不仅得到土耳其的支持，还得到众多国家的支持。如果俄罗斯将其精力用于打击达伊沙和达伊沙，那么其中一些冲突，或者误判或升级的可能性，就不太可能发生。
I also think this underscores the importance of us making sure that we move this political track forward as quickly as possible. Like President Hollande, our view from the start has been that Russia is welcome to be part of this broad-based coalition that we've set up. There's never been a point in time in which we said that we don't want Russia or other countries that may have differences with us on a whole host of other things to avoid working with us against ISIL. 我还认为，这凸显了我们必须确保尽快推进这一政治轨道的重要性。与奥朗德总统一样，我们从一开始就认为，欢迎俄罗斯加入我们建立的基础广泛的联盟。从来没有任何时候我们说过，我们不希望俄罗斯或其他可能在一系列其他问题上与我们有分歧的国家不与我们合作打击达伊沙。
The challenge has been Russia's focus on propping up Assad rather than focusing on ISIL. I had a conversation with President Putin in Turkey, and I indicated to him at the time that to the extent that they make that strategic shift -- focus on the Vienna process, where they have been constructive, to try to bring all the parties together; try to execute a political transition that all parties would agree to; and refocus attention on going after ISIL -- then there's enormous capacity for us to cooperate. 挑战在于俄罗斯的重点一直是扶持阿萨德，而不是聚焦达伊沙。我在土耳其与普京总统进行了交谈，我当时向他表示，只要他们做出这一战略转变——聚焦于维也纳进程（他们在其中一直是建设性的），努力将各方聚集在一起；努力执行各方都能同意的政治过渡；并重新聚焦于打击达伊沙——那么我们就有巨大的合作空间。
Until that happens, it's very difficult. It's difficult because if their priority is attacking the moderate opposition that might be future members of an inclusive Syrian government, Russia is not going to get the support of us or a range of other members of the coalition. 在那之前，这非常困难。之所以困难，是因为如果他们的首要任务是打击温和反对派——而这些人可能成为包容性叙利亚政府的未来成员——俄罗斯将得不到我们或联盟其他一系列成员的支持。
But I do think that there is the possibility of cooperation. The sooner we agree to this political process, the less likely that you have the kinds of events that took place, apparently, today. 但我确实认为存在合作的可能性。我们越快就这一政治进程达成一致，今天显然发生的这类事件就越不可能发生。
President Hollande: [As interpreted.] The event that took place is a serious one, and we can only regret it. Turkey is currently providing all of the information to NATO so that we can find out what truly happened and whether Turkey's airspace indeed was entered into. But we must prevent an escalation; that would be extremely damageable. The only purpose is to fight against terrorism and Daesh. This is what we must do, all of us -- we, Turkey, Russia. 奥朗德总统：（口译）发生的这一事件是严重的，我们只能对此表示遗憾。土耳其目前正在向北约提供所有信息，以便我们能够查明真相，以及土耳其领空是否确实遭到侵犯。但我们必须防止升级；那将是极具破坏性的。唯一的目标是打击恐怖主义和达伊沙。这就是我们所有人必须做的——我们、土耳其、俄罗斯。
And what just took place, like Barack said, means that we must find a solution to the Syrian crisis, because we can see what the risks are otherwise -- the risks of escalation. I, therefore, will be traveling to Russia this week because we have this resolution of the Security Council and it does show that we must take action against Daesh, against terrorism. That resolution has been voted unanimously. In a way, that was the broadest possible coalition. 正如巴拉克所说，刚刚发生的事情意味着我们必须找到叙利亚危机的解决方案，因为否则我们可以看到风险有多大——升级的风险。因此，我本周将前往俄罗斯，因为我们有安理会决议，它确实表明我们必须对达伊沙、对恐怖主义采取行动。该决议获得一致通过。在某种程度上，这是最广泛的联盟。
Then, I will ask President Putin, as I've done before and what I told the Russians a number of times already, that the strikes must be against Daesh, against terrorism, and those who precisely are threatening us. They are threatening the Russians, like ourselves in Europe, like France that was targeted over the past few days. 然后，我将要求普京总统——正如我以前所做的，以及我已经多次告诉俄罗斯人的那样——空袭必须针对达伊沙、针对恐怖主义，针对那些确切威胁我们的人。他们威胁着俄罗斯人，就像威胁我们欧洲人一样，就像威胁过去几天遭到袭击的法国一样。
We must, therefore, coordinate ourselves, cooperate, but on that basis, and make sure that we're all acting against Daesh. And that will be part of the political process, one that must lead to the solution. And we all know what the parameters of the solution are or are not. We know that there's a deadlock today. 因此，我们必须协调自己，开展合作，但要在此基础上，确保我们都在打击达伊沙。这将是政治进程的一部分，一个必须导向解决方案的进程。我们都知道解决方案的参数是什么，不是什么。我们知道今天存在僵局。
Lastly, I mentioned the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, which is in the east of the Mediterranean now. As a matter of fact, there are also some Russian forces. And I, therefore, agreed with President Putin that we must share our intelligence so that we can act in coordination. We must not contradict ourselves. And it's already the case, and we'll continue to do so. 最后，我提到了"戴高乐"号航空母舰，它现在在地中海东部。事实上，那里也有一些俄罗斯军队。因此，我与普京总统一致认为，我们必须共享情报，以便我们能够协调行动。我们不能自相矛盾。这已经在进行中，我们将继续这样做。
Question: [As interpreted.] Mr. President, the Americans have some Special Forces in Syria. Beyond the words and beyond what is happening, are you going to send some Special Forces as well to Syria? Are you considering some ground intervention there? Mr. President, beyond the emotion that we can feel here, beyond these beautiful statements, for more than a year we heard all of you saying that Assad must go, that a political transition is necessary in Syria. Mr. President, can you today, here, in front of us, tell us a specific date, a deadline for Assad to go? 问：（口译）总统先生，美国人在叙利亚有一些特种部队。除了言辞和正在发生的事情之外，您是否也会向叙利亚派遣一些特种部队？您是否考虑在那里进行某种地面干预？总统先生，除了我们在这里能感受到的情感，除了这些动听的声明之外，一年多来我们听到你们所有人都说阿萨德必须下台，叙利亚需要政治过渡。总统先生，您今天能否在这里，在我们面前，告诉我们一个具体的日期，阿萨德下台的最后期限？
President Obama: Who is this addressed to? Me or for him? 奥巴马总统：这个问题是问谁的？我还是他？
Question: I can translate in English, if needed. 问：如果需要的话，我可以翻译成英文。
President Obama: No, no, I had the translation. You said "President," and we've got two Presidents here. 奥巴马总统：不，不，我已经听到翻译了。你说"总统"，而我们这里有两位总统。
President Hollande: [As interpreted.] I will not provide you with a date because it must be as soon as possible. That is one of the requirements for a solution to be found. But at the same time, allow me to underline something. There is a new mindset now. The crisis in Syria has been ongoing for four years -- four years. There are probably more than 300,000 dead. And this is not just relevant to the countries of the region, which are hosting the refugees. 奥朗德总统：（口译）我不会给你一个日期，因为必须尽快。这是找到解决方案的要求之一。但同时，请允许我强调一点。现在有一种新的心态。叙利亚危机已经持续了四年——四年了。可能有超过30万人死亡。这不仅与收容难民的该地区国家有关。
It is relevant to Europe and the entire world now with that issue of refugees. And those who believe that we could wait some more, and that, in any case, it was far away, they now realize that we have an influx of refugees, that the terrorists -- the risk is everywhere due to Daesh. We, therefore, must act. 现在，由于难民问题，它与欧洲和整个世界都有关。那些认为我们可以再等等的人，那些认为反正离我们很远的人，现在意识到我们有难民涌入，意识到恐怖分子——由于达伊沙，风险无处不在。因此，我们必须行动。
You also asked me what we were going to do, what more. We will intensify the strikes. We will have some more specific target to make sure that Daesh resources, their means are cut off, including their command centers, the trucks carrying oil, their training centers where they prepare terror attacks. We will continue and we will intensify our strikes at the heart of the cities which are currently in the hands of Daesh. 你们还问我我们打算做什么，还要做什么。我们将加大空袭力度。我们将有更具体的目标，以确保达伊沙的资源、他们的手段被切断，包括他们的指挥中心、运油卡车、他们策划恐怖袭击的训练中心。我们将继续并加大对目前处于达伊沙控制下的城市中心的空袭力度。
France will not intervene militarily on the ground. It is for the local forces to do so. We've been supporting them for a number of months. We will continue to do so. And they will do the job on the ground after our strikes that will enable them to do so. But France will take its responsibilities regarding that support, which is absolutely necessary. 法国不会进行地面军事干预。这要由当地部队来做。几个月来我们一直在支持他们。我们将继续这样做。在我们的空袭为他们创造条件后，他们将在地面上完成任务。但法国将承担起提供这种支持的责任，这是绝对必要的。
President Obama: Let me just make a couple of broader comments about the operations against ISIL. As was already indicated, we've taken thousands of strikes; have taken thousands of ISIL fighters, including top commanders and leaders, off the battlefield. We have squeezed their supply lines. We have empowered and armed local groups that are pushing against them, including, most recently, in Sinjar. We're providing training and assistance to the Iraqi government as they prepare to retake places like Ramadi that had been overrun. 奥巴马总统：让我就针对达伊沙的行动再谈几点更广泛的看法。如前所述，我们已发动数千次空袭；已在战场上消灭数千名达伊沙战斗人员，包括高级指挥官和领导人。我们压缩了他们的补给线。我们授权并武装了正在反击他们的当地武装，包括最近在辛贾尔。我们正在为伊拉克政府提供训练和援助，因为他们正准备夺回像拉马迪这样被攻占的地方。
We've seen some success. But the question now is, how can we accelerate it? And in fact, even before the tragedy in Paris, I had gathered together my national security forces -- it had been a year -- to review where we had made progress, what worked, what did not, and had put together a plan to accelerate and advance the pressure that we can place on ISIL. 我们已经看到了一些成功。但现在的问题是，我们如何加快步伐？事实上，甚至在巴黎悲剧发生之前，我就召集了我的国家安全团队——已经一年了——回顾我们取得了哪些进展，哪些有效，哪些无效，并制定了一项计划，以加快和推进我们对达伊沙施加的压力。
And we intend to execute on those plans, but we also think, as François said, that there may be new openness on the part of other coalition members to help resource and provide additional assistance both to the coalition as a whole and to local forces on the ground. 我们打算执行这些计划，但我们也认为，正如弗朗索瓦所说，其他联盟成员可能会有新的开放态度，愿意帮助提供资源，并向整个联盟和当地部队提供更多援助。
With respect to Mr. Assad, I think we've got to let the Vienna process play itself out. It is our best opportunity. And so the notion that there would be an immediate date in advance of us getting a broad agreement on that political process and the details I think doesn't make sense. As soon as we have a framework for a political transition -- potentially, a new constitution, elections -- I think it's in that context that we can start looking at Mr. Assad choosing not to run and potentially seeing a new Syria emerge. 关于阿萨德先生，我认为我们必须让维也纳进程自行展开。这是我们最好的机会。因此，在我们就政治进程及其细节达成广泛协议之前，就设定一个即时日期的想法，我认为是没有意义的。一旦我们有了政治过渡的框架——可能是新宪法、选举——我认为正是在这种背景下，我们可以开始看到阿萨德先生选择不参选，并可能看到一个新的叙利亚出现。
But it's going to be hard. And we should not be under any illusions. Syria has broken down. It began to break down the moment that Mr. Assad started killing indiscriminately his own people. ISIL was able to move into Raqqa in part because of a thorough rejection on the part of many Syrians of the Assad regime, and a power vacuum emerged. 但这将是艰难的。我们不应抱有任何幻想。叙利亚已经分崩离析。从阿萨德先生开始滥杀本国人民的那一刻起，它就开始崩溃了。达伊沙能够进入拉卡，部分原因是许多叙利亚人对阿萨德政权的彻底排斥，由此产生了权力真空。
And it is going to be a difficult, long, methodical process to bring back together various factions within Syria to maintain a Syrian state and institutions, and to create the kind of stability that allows people to start coming back in and rebuilding their lives. But it's possible. And the urgency that we've seen even before Paris out of countries like Russia indicate that they recognize they can't be there too long and ultimately winning military battle successfully. 将叙利亚内部各派重新凝聚在一起，维持叙利亚国家和机构，并创造一种稳定，让人们开始返回并重建生活，这将是一个艰难、漫长、有条不紊的过程。但这是可能的。甚至在巴黎袭击之前，我们从俄罗斯等国家看到的紧迫性表明，他们认识到自己不能在那里待太久，最终也无法成功赢得军事斗争。
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Question: Thank you, Mr. President. [Speaks French.] Mr. President, could you tell us whether the Russian plane did, in fact, breach Turkish airspace? And given the fury of the Russian response on economic, diplomatic, and rhetorical fronts, how concerned are you that there might also be a military component, if not in Turkey, then perhaps with expanded action against coalition interests inside Syria? 问：谢谢，总统先生。（法语发言）总统先生，您能否告诉我们，俄罗斯飞机是否确实侵犯了土耳其领空？鉴于俄罗斯在经济、外交和言辞方面的愤怒回应，您有多担心还可能有军事层面的回应，如果不是在土耳其，那么也许是在叙利亚境内扩大针对联盟利益的行动？
[As interpreted.] And, Mr. President, regarding the measures announced today when it comes to strengthening the cooperation on military intelligence and all this, had they been taken a month or weeks ago, do you think they would have prevented the terror attacks that took place in Paris, or will enable us to prevent some further terror attacks? （口译）另外，总统先生，关于今天宣布的加强军事情报合作等措施，如果这些措施在一个月或几周前就采取了，您认为它们能阻止巴黎发生的恐怖袭击吗，还是能让我们防止更多的恐怖袭击？
President Obama: We don't have all the information yet, so I don't want to comment on the specifics. We will be gathering all that information. We expect the Turks to provide information. I'm sure the Russians will have some information. And we'll be able to confirm what happened in part through our own intelligence and our own tracking of that border area. 奥巴马总统：我们还没有掌握所有信息，所以我不想对具体细节发表评论。我们将收集所有这些信息。我们预计土耳其人会提供信息。我相信俄罗斯人也会有一些信息。我们将能够部分通过我们自己的情报和我们对边境地区的监控来确认发生了什么。
As François indicated, my top priority is going to be to ensure that this does not escalate. And hopefully, this is a moment in which all parties can step back and make a determination as to how their interests are best served. 正如弗朗索瓦所指出的，我的首要任务将是确保事态不会升级。希望这是一个所有各方都能退一步，确定如何最符合自身利益的时刻。
The Russians had several hundred people of their own killed by ISIL. And the flow of foreign fighters out of Russian areas into Syria poses an enormous, long-term threat to Russian territory. So there is a potential convergence of interests between the various parties. It requires us working with them to make the kind of strategic shift that's necessary and that, frankly, I've talked to Putin about for five years now. 俄罗斯人自己也有数百人被达伊沙杀害。而来自俄罗斯地区的外国战斗人员涌入叙利亚，对俄罗斯领土构成了巨大的长期威胁。因此，各方之间存在潜在的利益趋同。这需要我们与他们合作，进行必要的战略转变，坦率地说，我已经和普京谈了五年了。
It requires a recognition that the existing structure cannot gain the legitimacy to stop the war, and until you stop the war, you're going to have a vacuum in which these kinds of terrorist organizations can operate more effectively. 这需要认识到，现有结构无法获得停止战争的合法性，而在你停止战争之前，就会出现真空，这类恐怖组织就能在其中更有效地运作。
Let me say one last thing, because I've tracked the question that you posed to President Hollande about what could or could not have been prevented. All of our intelligence personnel here in the United States, across the Atlantic, work tirelessly, as I said earlier, to disrupt plots and prevent terrorists attacks. The vast majority of their successes in disrupting plots are not advertised. You never hear about them. But were it not for the dedication of those intelligence and law enforcement and military professionals, this would be a much more dangerous world. 让我再说最后一件事，因为我注意到了你向奥朗德总统提出的关于什么可以或不可以阻止的问题。我们美国的所有情报人员，横跨大西洋，都像我之前说的那样，不知疲倦地工作，以破坏阴谋和防止恐怖袭击。他们在破坏阴谋方面的绝大多数成功都没有被公开。你们从未听说过。但如果没有这些情报、执法和军事专业人员的奉献，这个世界将会危险得多。
So you have to be careful about speculating about "what if" and "could have" and "would have" in a situation like this -- because it's hard. You have eight individuals with light weapons; that's a hard thing to track. What is true, though, is that we can do a better job of coordinating between countries. 因此，在这种情况下，你必须谨慎地猜测"如果"、"本来可以"和"本来会"——因为这很难。你有八个拿着轻武器的人；这是很难追踪的。但事实是，我们可以在国家间协调方面做得更好。
And I've been talking to our European partners for quite some time now about the need for better intelligence, sharing passenger name records, working to ensure that when people enter into Europe -- particularly now -- that the information across various borders is shared on a timely basis, and you have biometric information and other technologies that can make it more accurate. It doesn't mean it's always going to be 100 percent foolproof, but we can do better on those fronts. 我已经和我们的欧洲伙伴谈了很长时间，关于需要更好的情报，共享乘客姓名记录，努力确保当人们进入欧洲时——尤其是现在——各边境的信息能够及时共享，并且有生物识别信息和其他可以提高准确性的技术。这并不意味着它总是百分之百万无一失，但我们可以在这些方面做得更好。
And one of the challenges has been, frankly, in the past several years, that you have different legal traditions, concerns about privacy and civil liberties, all of which are entirely legitimate. I don't think those can be ignored now, because that's part of the -- those are part of the values that make us who we are and that we have to adhere to. 坦率地说，过去几年的挑战之一是，你们有不同的法律传统，对隐私和公民自由的担忧，所有这些都是完全合理的。我认为这些现在不能被忽视，因为那是——那些是我们之所以为我们的价值观的一部分，我们必须坚守这些价值观。
But I do think that this is a reminder that this is a dangerous world. And rooting out small bands of terrorist groups who maintain good operational security and are using modern technologies in ways that are hard to track, that that's a tough job. And we're all going to have to pool our resources much more effectively together than we have in the past. And I think when François goes back to Europe, his leadership, the leadership of other presidents and prime ministers around this issue is going to be as important as anything that we do. 但我确实认为，这提醒我们这是一个危险的世界。而铲除那些保持良好行动保密、利用现代技术难以追踪的小型恐怖团伙，这是一项艰巨的工作。我们都必须比过去更有效地集中我们的资源。我认为，当弗朗索瓦回到欧洲时，他的领导力，其他国家总统和总理在这个问题上的领导力，将与我们所做的任何事情一样重要。
President Hollande: [As interpreted.] Allow me to go back to what Daesh truly is. It is somehow an organization, a terrorist group occupying a territory in Iraq and Syria, killing. And they want to install rules that dishonor humanity. This is what Daesh is doing there. And this is what they are trying to do in other countries, everywhere [inaudible] stands. 奥朗德总统：（口译）请允许我回到达伊沙的真实面目。它某种程度上是一个组织，一个占领伊拉克和叙利亚领土的恐怖组织，进行杀戮。他们想要推行有辱人性的规则。这就是达伊沙在那里所做的。这就是他们试图在其他国家做的事情，在所有[听不清]的地方。
And then we have to deal with the number of networks more or less organized in a number of countries that are being used to lead terror attacks, like was the case precisely in Paris. We know that this dreadful plan was prepared in Syria, and then organized in a number of countries. And there are also some accomplices in France, given that some of the terrorists are French, those who committed these acts of war. 然后，我们必须应对或多或少在一些国家有组织的大量网络，这些网络被用来发动恐怖袭击，就像巴黎发生的情况一样。我们知道，这个可怕的计划是在叙利亚策划的，然后在多个国家组织实施。法国也有一些同谋，因为一些恐怖分子是法国人，也就是那些犯下这些战争行为的人。
So if we want to tackle terrorism, we must act not only to destroy Daesh where they are -- in Syria, in Iraq -- but we must also dismantle and destroy these networks. How can we proceed? Well, first of all, militarily, by intensifying our strikes, by taking back these territories, thanks to the local forces on the ground, which we can support by finding a political solution in Syria, by making sure that the territorial integrity of Iraq is restored. This is what we can do. 因此，如果我们想要打击恐怖主义，我们不仅要在达伊沙所在的地方——在叙利亚、在伊拉克——消灭他们，我们还必须瓦解和摧毁这些网络。我们该如何进行？首先，在军事上，通过加大空袭力度，通过当地地面部队夺回这些领土，我们可以通过在叙利亚找到政治解决方案、通过确保伊拉克的领土完整来支持他们。这是我们可以做的。
Then, when it comes to protection measures to protect our territory and our people, this is what I announced in France and this is what we have to do to eradicate these networks and all of these accomplices and those who are present. Some of them just arrived; others have been there for a long time, and they are not necessarily identified as a threat. It is, therefore, necessary that we strengthen yet further our cooperation in terms of intelligence. 然后，关于保护我们的领土和人民的保护措施，这就是我在法国宣布的，这就是我们必须做的，以根除这些网络以及所有这些同谋和存在的人。其中一些人刚刚到达；另一些人已经在那里很长时间了，他们不一定被识别为威胁。因此，我们有必要进一步加强我们在情报方面的合作。
The Paris attacks generated a lot of emotion. But that's not enough -- compassion, solidarity. And I take note of it, but we must act. And for a number of days now, I've been trying to convince -- convincing all the countries that can act to do so. 巴黎袭击引发了很多情绪。但这还不够——同情、声援。我注意到了这一点，但我们必须行动。几天来，我一直在努力说服——说服所有能够采取行动的国家这样做。
I met with David Cameron yesterday. He announced that he would take a number of measures to his parliament. That is important. Today I'm here with Barack so that we can act with greater intensity and coherence, as well. Tomorrow I will be hosting German Chancellor Angela Merkel so that European countries, including Germany, can face up to their responsibilities, including in terms of military intelligence and police cooperation, and maybe more. 我昨天会见了戴维·卡梅伦。他宣布他将向议会提出一系列措施。这很重要。今天我和巴拉克在这里，以便我们也能以更大的强度和连贯性采取行动。明天我将接待德国总理安格拉·默克尔，以便欧洲国家，包括德国，能够承担起自己的责任，包括在军事情报和警察合作方面，也许还有更多。
I will also travel to Moscow, so that Russia acts -- can take action against Daesh, and only against Daesh. And then I will receive Matteo Renzi, the head of the Italian government. I will also have an opportunity to talk to all of the European leaders, given that a European Council, together with Turkey, will be held on Sunday. 我还将前往莫斯科，以便俄罗斯采取行动——能够对达伊沙采取行动，而且只对达伊沙采取行动。然后我将接待意大利政府首脑马泰奥·伦齐。我还将有机会与所有欧洲领导人交谈，因为周日将举行与土耳其共同参加的欧洲理事会会议。
So it is all of that that must get together and enable us to implement coordination, cooperation in our actions so that we can act on the source, Daesh, and networks that it can use. It is that strength that will enable us to succeed. 因此，所有这一切必须汇聚起来，使我们能够在行动中实现协调与合作，以便我们能够从源头打击达伊沙及其可以利用的网络。正是这种力量将使我们取得成功。
Question: [As interpreted.] A question from BFMTV. Both of you today have talked about coordination, cooperation against Daesh. Does it mean that this single coalition -- which you mentioned last week, President Hollande -- is gone? That it is inconceivable to have the Russians and the Americans to work together under this single command? And then Bashar al-Assad, you said you could not put a date on his departure. Does it mean that his departure is not a preamble or prerequisite for the future of Syria? 问：（口译）法国BFM电视台电视台的问题。你们两位今天都谈到了针对达伊沙的协调与合作。这是否意味着这个单一联盟——奥朗德总统上周提到的那个——已经不复存在了？让俄罗斯人和美国人在这个单一指挥下一起工作是不可想象的吗？还有巴沙尔·阿萨德，你说你无法确定他下台的日期。这是否意味着他的下台不是叙利亚未来的序幕或先决条件？
President Hollande: [As interpreted.] Regarding the coalition of the international community, I believe that the resolution approved by all at the Security Council enabled us to say that now the entire world is committed to fighting against Daesh. Then -- and this is what I will check when I travel to Moscow -- we need one single goal: that is to tackle terrorism and fight against Daesh militarily. And I believe that we can have some further cooperation and coordination militarily to do more. 奥朗德总统：（口译）关于国际社会联盟，我认为安理会一致通过的决议使我们能够说，现在全世界都致力于打击达伊沙。然后——这是我访问莫斯科时将核实的——我们需要一个单一的目标：那就是打击恐怖主义，在军事上打击达伊沙。我相信我们可以有更多的军事合作与协调，以做得更多。
At the same time, we have to be clear when it comes to the political solution, the one that will enable us to find an outcome for Syria. And in this respect, like we've said, and we can repeat it, Bashar al-Assad cannot be the future of Syria. 同时，在政治解决方案方面，也就是使我们能够为叙利亚找到出路的方案，必须明确。在这方面，正如我们所说的，我们可以重申，巴沙尔·阿萨德不能成为叙利亚的未来。
In Vienna, we are already working with all of the countries -- even though they do not necessarily, they do not have the same stance -- Turkey, Iran, Gulf countries, the United States, France, and of course all of those who are meant to find a solution. But we must work on that transition, a transition where Bashar al-Assad plays no role. Because he's been the problem, so he cannot be the solution. 在维也纳，我们已经在与所有国家合作——尽管它们不一定持相同立场——土耳其、伊朗、海湾国家、美国、法国，当然还有所有旨在找到解决方案的国家。但我们必须致力于这一过渡，一个巴沙尔·阿萨德不发挥任何作用的过渡。因为他一直是问题所在，所以他不可能是解决方案。
President Obama: We've got a coalition of 65 countries who have been active in pushing back against ISIL for quite some time. France has been a central part of that coalition, as have European countries, Arab countries. Countries as far-flung as Australia and countries in Southeast Asia are part of that coalition. 奥巴马总统：我们有一个由65个国家组成的联盟，长期以来一直在积极反击达伊沙。法国一直是该联盟的核心成员，欧洲国家、阿拉伯国家也是如此。远至澳大利亚和东南亚国家都是该联盟的成员。
Russia right now is a coalition of two, Iran and Russia, supporting Assad. Given Russia's military capabilities and given the influence they have on the Assad regime, them cooperating would be enormously helpful in bringing about a resolution of the civil war in Syria, and allow us all to refocus our attention on ISIL. 俄罗斯现在是一个两国联盟，即伊朗和俄罗斯，支持阿萨德。鉴于俄罗斯的军事能力，以及他们对阿萨德政权的影响力，他们的合作将极大地帮助解决叙利亚内战，并使我们所有人都能将注意力重新集中在达伊沙上。
But I think it's important to remember that you've got a global coalition organized. Russia is the outlier. We hope that they refocus their attention on what is the most substantial threat, and that they serve as a constructive partner. And if and when they do, it will make it easier for us to go after ISIL and Daesh. 但我认为重要的是要记住，我们已经组织了一个全球联盟。俄罗斯是局外人。我们希望他们将注意力重新聚焦在最重大的威胁上，并希望他们成为建设性伙伴。如果他们这样做了，将使我们更容易打击达伊沙和达伊沙。
Although I think it's also important to recognize that the kinds of airstrikes that they're carrying out -- just like the kinds of airstrikes that we're carrying out -- in and of themselves are not sufficient. And the work that we do to bolster local fighting forces, the cutting off of supply lines, financing, oil, reducing the flow of foreign fighters, the intelligence work that needs to be done -- all of that is something that we are doing now and that they can supplement. 尽管我认为同样重要的是要认识到，他们正在进行的那种空袭——就像我们正在进行的那种空袭——本身是不够的。我们为加强当地战斗力量所做的工作、切断补给线、资金、石油、减少外国战斗人员的流动、需要做的情报工作——所有这些都是我们现在正在做的，也是他们可以补充的。
But that's going to be a process that involves hard, methodical work. It's not going to be something that happens just because suddenly we take a few more airstrikes. And that's the kind of hard work that I know France is prepared to do, the United States is prepared to do, and perhaps, in the future, Russia will be, as well. 但这将是一个涉及艰苦、系统性工作的过程。不会仅仅因为我们突然多进行了几次空袭就实现。我知道法国准备做这种艰苦的工作，美国准备做，也许将来俄罗斯也会做。
Thank you very much, everybody. 谢谢各位。