Good afternoon, everybody. Let me start out by saying that I was sorely tempted to wear a tan suit today for my last press conference. But Michelle, whose fashion sense is a little better than mine, tells me that's not appropriate in January. 各位下午好。首先我想说，今天的最后一场记者会，我本来特别想穿一身棕褐色西装来。但米歇尔的时尚品味比我好一点，她说一月份穿这个不太合适。
I covered a lot of the ground that I would want to cover in my farewell address last week. So I'm just going to say a couple of quick things before I start taking questions. 上周的告别演说里，我已经谈到了很多想说的内容。所以在开始提问之前，我只想简单说几件事。
First, we have been in touch with the Bush family today, after hearing about President George H.W. Bush and Barbara Bush being admitted to the hospital this morning. They have not only dedicated their lives to this country, they have been a constant source of friendship and support and good counsel for Michelle and me over the years. They are as fine a couple as we know. And so we want to send our prayers and our love to them. Really good people. 首先，今天我们已经与布什一家取得了联系，因为我们听说老布什总统和芭芭拉·布什今天早上住院了。他们不仅将自己的一生奉献给了这个国家，多年来也一直是米歇尔和我友谊、支持和良好建议的不竭源泉。他们是我们认识的最优秀的一对夫妇。所以我们想向他们送上我们的祈祷和爱。真正的好人。
Second thing I want to do is to thank all of you. Some of you have been covering me for a long time -- folks like Christi and Win. Some of you I've just gotten to know. We have traveled the world together. We’ve hit a few singles, a few doubles together. I’ve offered advice that I thought was pretty sound, like “don’t do stupid…stuff.” And even when you complained about my long answers, I just want you to know that the only reason they were long was because you asked six-part questions. 第二件事，我想感谢你们所有人。你们中的一些人已经报道我很久了——比如克里斯蒂和温。有些人我才刚认识。我们一起走遍了世界。我们一起打出过一些一垒安打，一些二垒安打。我也提供过一些我认为相当合理的建议，比如"别做愚蠢的……事"。即使你们抱怨我的回答太长，我也想让你们知道，答案长的唯一原因是你们问了包含六个部分的问题。
But I have enjoyed working with all of you. That does not, of course, mean that I’ve enjoyed every story that you have filed. But that’s the point of this relationship. You’re not supposed to be sycophants, you're supposed to be skeptics. You’re supposed to ask me tough questions. You're not supposed to be complimentary, but you're supposed to cast a critical eye on folks who hold enormous power and make sure that we are accountable to the people who sent us here. 但我很享受与你们所有人共事。当然，这并不意味着我喜欢你们写的每一篇报道。但这就是这种关系的意义所在。你们不应该是谄媚者，你们应该是怀疑者。你们应该问我尖锐的问题。你们不应该只会恭维，而应该对那些手握巨大权力的人投以批判的目光，确保我们对选我们来这里的人民负责。
And you have done that. And you’ve done it, for the most part, in ways that I could appreciate for fairness even if I didn’t always agree with your conclusions. And having you in this building has made this place work better. It keeps us honest. It makes us work harder. It made us think about how we are doing what we do and whether or not we're able to deliver on what’s been requested by our constituents. 而你们已经做到了。而且大多数时候，你们做到了让我欣赏其公正性——即使我并不总是同意你们的结论。你们在这座大楼里的存在让这里运转得更好。它让我们保持诚实。它让我们更加努力工作。它让我们思考我们是如何做事的，以及我们是否能够兑现选民的要求。
And for example, every time you’ve asked “why haven’t you cured Ebola yet,” or “why is that still that hole in the Gulf,” it has given me the ability to go back to my team and say, “will you get this solved before the next press conference?” 比如说，每次你们问"你们为什么还没治愈埃博拉？"或者"墨西哥湾的那个洞怎么还在那儿？"的时候，我就可以回去对我的团队说："你们能不能在下次记者会前把这事搞定？"
I spent a lot of time in my farewell address talking about the state of our democracy. It goes without saying that essential to that is a free press. That is part of how this place, this country, this grand experiment in self-government has to work. It doesn’t work if we don't have a well-informed citizenry. And you are the conduit through which they receive the information about what’s taking place in the halls of power. 我在告别演说中花了很多时间谈论我们的民主状况。不言而喻，自由的新闻界是民主的核心。这就是这个地方、这个国家、这项伟大的自治实验必须运作的方式的一部分。如果我们没有知情的公民，民主就无法运转。而你们就是他们获取权力殿堂中所发生之事的信息的渠道。
So America needs you, and our democracy needs you. We need you to establish a baseline of facts and evidence that we can use as a starting point for the kind of reasoned and informed debates that ultimately lead to progress. And so my hope is, is that you will continue with the same tenacity that you showed us to do the hard work of getting to the bottom of stories and getting them right, and to push those of us in power to be the best version of ourselves. And to push this country to be the best version of itself. 所以美国需要你们，我们的民主需要你们。我们需要你们建立一个事实和证据的基准，以此作为起点，进行理性、知情的辩论，最终推动进步。因此，我的希望是，你们将继续以向我们展现的同样的坚韧，去做那些挖掘真相、把报道做好的艰苦工作，去推动我们这些掌权者成为最好的自己。去推动这个国家成为最好的自己。
I have no doubt that you will do so. I’m looking forward to being an active consumer of your work rather than always the subject of it. I want to thank you all for your extraordinary service to our democracy. 我毫不怀疑你们会这样做。我期待着成为你们作品的积极消费者，而不是永远作为报道对象。我要感谢你们所有人为我们的民主做出的非凡贡献。
And with that, I will take some questions. And I will start with Jeff Mason -- whose term apparently is not up. I thought we’d be going out together, brother, but you got to hang around for a while. 好的，我现在开始回答问题。我先从杰夫·梅森开始——他的任期显然还没结束。兄弟，我以为我们会一起走的，结果你还得再待一阵子。
Question: I'm staying put. 提问：我就不走了。
President Obama: Jeff Mason, Reuters. 奥巴马总统：路透社的杰夫·梅森。
Question: Thank you, sir. Are you concerned, Mr. President, that commuting Chelsea Manning’s sentence will send a message that leaking classified material will not generate a tough sentence to groups like WikiLeaks? How do you reconcile that in light of WikiLeaks’ connection to Russia’s hacking in last year’s election? And related to that, Julian Assange has now offered to come to the United States. Are you seeking that? And would he be charged or arrested if he came here? 提问：谢谢您，总统先生。总统先生，您是否担心减刑切尔西·曼宁（Chelsea Manning）的刑期会向维基解密这样的组织传递一个信息，即泄露机密材料不会遭到重判？考虑到维基解密与俄罗斯干预去年大选的关联，您如何调和这一点？与此相关的是，朱利安·阿桑奇现在表示愿意来美国。您是否在寻求此事？如果他来这里会被起诉或逮捕吗？
President Obama: Well, first of all, let’s be clear, Chelsea Manning has served a tough prison sentence. So the notion that the average person who was thinking about disclosing vital, classified information would think that it goes unpunished I don't think would get that impression from the sentence that Chelsea Manning has served. 奥巴马总统：首先，让我们明确一点，切尔西·曼宁已经服了很重的刑期。所以那种认为普通人如果想泄露重要机密信息就会觉得不会受到惩罚的想法——我认为从切尔西·曼宁所服的刑期来看，人们不会得到那样的印象。
It has been my view that given she went to trial, that due process was carried out, that she took responsibility for her crime, that the sentence that she received was very disproportional -- disproportionate relative to what other leakers had received, and that she had served a significant amount of time, that it made it sense to commute -- and not pardon -- her sentence. 我的观点一直是，既然她已经接受了审判，正当程序已经执行，她也为自己的罪行承担了责任，而她所受的刑期与其他泄密者相比严重不成比例，并且她已经服刑了相当长的时间，因此减刑——而不是赦免——她的刑期是合理的。
And I feel very comfortable that justice has been served and that a message has still been sent that when it comes to our national security, that wherever possible, we need folks who may have legitimate concerns about the actions of government or their superiors or the agencies in which they work -- that they try to work through the established channels and avail themselves of the whistleblower protections that had been put in place. 我非常确信正义已经得到伸张，并且仍然传递了这样一个信息：当涉及到我们的国家安全时，只要有可能，我们需要那些可能对政府或上级或所在机构的行为有合理担忧的人——通过既定渠道来解决问题，并利用已有的举报人保护机制。
I recognize that there’s some folks who think they're not enough, and I think all of us, when we're working in big institutions, may find ourselves at times at odds with policies that are set. But when it comes to national security, we're often dealing with people in the field whose lives may be put at risk, or the safety and security and the ability of our military or our intelligence teams or embassies to function effectively. And that has to be kept in mind. 我知道有些人认为这些机制还不够，我想我们所有人在大型机构工作时，有时可能会发现自己与既定政策存在分歧。但当涉及到国家安全时，我们经常要面对那些在一线的人——他们的生命可能会受到威胁，或者我们的军队、情报团队或大使馆有效运作的安全和能力会受到影响。这一点必须牢记。
So with respect to WikiLeaks, I don't see a contradiction. First of all, I haven't commented on WikiLeaks, generally. The conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive as to whether WikiLeaks was witting or not in being the conduit through which we heard about the DNC emails that were leaked. 所以关于维基解密，我不认为有矛盾之处。首先，我一般不对维基解密发表评论。情报界关于俄罗斯黑客攻击的结论，并没有明确说明维基解密在作为泄露的民主党全国委员会电子邮件的传播渠道这件事上是否知情。
I don't pay a lot of attention to Mr. Assange's tweets, so that wasn't a consideration in this instance. And I'd refer you to the Justice Department for any criminal investigations, indictments, extradition issues that may come up with him. 我不太关注阿桑奇先生的推文，所以这不在此次考虑范围内。关于他可能面临的任何刑事调查、起诉、引渡问题，我建议你们向司法部咨询。
What I can say broadly is that, in this new cyber age, we're going to have to make sure that we continually work to find the right balance of accountability and openness and transparency that is the hallmark of our democracy, but also recognize that there are adversaries and bad actors out there who want to use that same openness in ways that hurt us -- whether that's in trying to commit financial crimes, or trying to commit acts of terrorism, or folks who want to interfere with our elections. 我可以概括地说的是，在这个新的网络时代，我们必须确保我们不断努力，在问责、开放和透明之间找到恰当的平衡——这是我们民主的标志——但也要认识到，有一些对手和不法分子想要利用同样的开放性来伤害我们——无论是试图实施金融犯罪，还是试图实施恐怖主义行为，或是那些想要干涉我们选举的人。
And we're going to have to continually build the kind of architecture that makes sure the best of our democracy is preserved; that our national security and intelligence agencies have the ability to carry out policy without advertising to our adversaries what it is that we're doing, but do so in a way that still keeps citizens up to speed on what their government is doing on their behalf. 我们将不得不继续构建一种机制，确保我们民主中最美好的部分得以保留；确保我们的国家安全和情报机构有能力执行政策而不向我们的对手宣传我们在做什么，但同时仍然要让公民了解他们的政府正在代表他们做什么。
But with respect to Chelsea Manning, I looked at the particulars of this case the same way I have for the other commutations and pardons that I've done, and I felt that in light of all the circumstances that commuting her sentence was entirely appropriate. 但关于切尔西·曼宁，我像审查其他减刑和赦免案件一样审查了这个案件的细节，我认为鉴于所有情况，减刑她的刑期是完全恰当的。
Margaret Brennan. 玛格丽特·布伦南。
Question: Mr. President, thank you. The President-elect has said that he would consider lifting sanctions on Russia if they substantially reduced their nuclear stockpile. Given your own efforts at arms control, do you think that's an effective strategy? Knowing this office and Mr. Trump, how would you advise his advisors to help him be effective when he deals with Vladimir Putin? And given your actions recently on Russia, do you think those sanctions should be viewed as leverage? 提问：总统先生，谢谢您。当选总统曾表示，如果俄罗斯大幅削减核武库，他会考虑解除对俄制裁。鉴于您自己在军控方面的努力，您认为这是一个有效的策略吗？您了解这个职位，也了解特朗普先生，您会如何建议他的顾问帮助他在与弗拉基米尔·普京打交道时更有成效？考虑到您最近在俄罗斯问题上的行动，您认为这些制裁应该被视为一种筹码吗？
President Obama: Well, a couple of things. Number one, I think it is in America's interest and the world's interest that we have a constructive relationship with Russia. That's been my approach throughout my presidency. Where our interests have overlapped, we've worked together. At the beginning of my term, I did what I could to encourage Russia to be a constructive member of the international community, and tried to work with the President and the government of Russia in helping them diversify their economy, improve their economy, 奥巴马总统：有几点。第一，我认为与俄罗斯保持建设性关系符合美国和世界的利益。这是我整个总统任期的做法。在我们利益重叠的地方，我们进行了合作。在我任期之初，我尽我所能鼓励俄罗斯成为国际社会的建设性成员，并努力与俄罗斯总统和政府合作，帮助他们实现经济多元化、改善经济，
use the incredible talents of the Russian people in more constructive ways. 以更具建设性的方式发挥俄罗斯人民的非凡才能。
I think it’s fair to say that after President Putin came back into the presidency that an escalating anti-American rhetoric and an approach to global affairs that seemed to be premised on the idea that whatever America is trying to do must be bad for Russia and so we want to try and counteract whatever they do -- that return to an adversarial spirit that I think existed during the Cold War has made the relationship more difficult. And it was hammered home when Russia went into Crimea and portions of Ukraine. 我认为可以公平地说，在普京总统重新回到总统职位后，反美言论不断升级，处理全球事务的方式似乎基于这样一种理念：美国想做的任何事都一定对俄罗斯不利，所以我们要设法对抗他们的所作所为——这种我认为冷战时期存在的对抗精神的回归，使得两国关系更加困难。而俄罗斯进入克里米亚和乌克兰部分地区时，这一点得到了充分体现。
The reason we imposed the sanctions, recall, was not because of nuclear weapons issues. It was because the independence and sovereignty of a country, Ukraine, had been encroached upon, by force, by Russia. That wasn’t our judgment; that was the judgment of the entire international community. And Russia continues to occupy Ukrainian territory and meddle in Ukrainian affairs and support military surrogates who have violated basic international law and international norms. 回忆一下，我们实施制裁的原因不是因为核武器问题。而是因为一个国家——乌克兰——的独立和主权遭到了俄罗斯的武力侵犯。这不是我们的判断；这是整个国际社会的判断。俄罗斯继续占领乌克兰领土，干涉乌克兰事务，并支持违反基本国际法和国际准则的军事代理人。
What I’ve said to the Russians is, as soon as you’ve stop doing that the sanctions will be removed. And I think it would probably best serve not only American interest but also the interest of preserving international norms if we made sure that we don’t confuse why these sanctions have been imposed with a whole set of other issues. 我对俄罗斯人说过，只要你们停止那样做，制裁就会取消。我认为，如果我们确保不把实施这些制裁的原因与一整套其他问题混为一谈，这可能不仅最符合美国利益，也最有利于维护国际准则。
On nuclear issues, in my first term we negotiated the START II treaty. and that has substantially reduced our nuclear stockpiles, both Russia and the United States. I was prepared to go further. I told President Putin I was prepared to go further. They have been unwilling to negotiate. If President-elect Trump is able to restart those talks in a serious way, I think there remains a lot of room for our two countries to reduce our stockpiles. And part of the reason we’ve been successful on our nonproliferation agenda and on our nuclear security agenda is because we were leading by example. 在核问题上，我在第一任期谈判了新START条约（START II），这大幅削减了我们和俄罗斯的核武库。我当时准备更进一步。我告诉普京总统我准备更进一步。但他们一直不愿谈判。如果当选总统特朗普能够认真重启这些谈判，我认为两国在削减核武库方面仍有很大空间。我们在防扩散议程和核安全议程上取得成功的部分原因，就是因为我们以身作则。
I hope that continues. But I think it’s important just to remember that the reason sanctions have been put in place against Russia has to do with their actions in Ukraine. And it is important for the United States to stand up for the basic principle that big countries don’t go around and invade and bully smaller countries. I’ve said before, I expect Russia and Ukraine to have a strong relationship. They are, historically, bound together in all sorts of cultural and social ways. But Ukraine is an independent country. 我希望这种情况能够继续。但我认为重要的是要记住，对俄罗斯实施制裁的原因与他们在乌克兰的行动有关。美国必须站出来捍卫这样一个基本原则：大国不能四处侵略和欺凌小国。我以前说过，我期望俄罗斯和乌克兰保持牢固的关系。从历史上看，它们在各种文化和社会方面都紧密相连。但乌克兰是一个独立的国家。
And this is a good example of the vital role that America has to continue to play around the world in preserving basic norms and values, whether it’s advocating on behalf of human rights, advocating on behalf of women’s rights, advocating on behalf of freedom of the press. 这是美国必须继续在世界各地发挥维护基本规范和价值观的重要作用的一个很好的例子，无论是倡导人权，倡导妇女权利，还是倡导新闻自由。
The United States has not always been perfect in this regard. There are times where we, by necessity, are dealing with allies or friends or partners who, themselves, are not meeting the standards that we would like to see met when it comes to international rules and norms. But I can tell you that in every multilateral setting -- in the United Nations, in the G20, in the G7 -- the United States typically has been on the right side of these issues. 美国在这方面并不总是完美的。有时候，我们出于需要，要与那些在国际规则和规范方面没有达到我们希望看到的标准的盟友、朋友或伙伴打交道。但我可以告诉你们，在每一个多边场合——在联合国、在二十国集团、在七国集团——美国通常都站在这些问题的正确一边。
And it is important for us to continue to be on the right side of these issues, because if we, the largest, strongest country and democracy in the world, are not willing to stand up on behalf of these values, then certainly China, Russia, and others will not. 对我们来说，继续站在这些问题的正确一边是很重要的，因为如果我们——世界上最大、最强的国家和民主国家——都不愿意为这些价值观挺身而出，那么中国、俄罗斯和其他国家肯定也不会。
Kevin Corke. 凯文·科克。
Question: Thank you, Mr. President. You have been a strong supporter of the idea of a peaceful transfer of power, demonstrated not terribly far from the Rose Garden. And yet, even as you and I speak, there are more than five dozen Democrats that are going to boycott the inauguration of the incoming President. Do you support that? And what message would you send to Democrats to better demonstrate the peaceful transfer of power? 提问：谢谢您，总统先生。您一直是和平权力交接理念的坚定支持者，这一点在离玫瑰园不远的地方就得到了体现。然而，就在我和您谈话的此刻，有六十多名民主党人打算抵制即将上任的总统的就职典礼。您支持这种做法吗？您会向民主党人传递什么信息，以更好地展示和平权力交接？
And if I could follow, I wanted to ask you about your conversations with the President-elect previously. And without getting into too much of the personal side of it, I’m just curious, were you able to use that opportunity to convince him to take a fresh look at some of the important ideas that you will leave this office with -- maintaining some semblance of the Affordable Care Act, some idea of keeping DREAMers here in the country without fear of deportation. Were you able to use personal stories to try to convince him? And how successful were you? 另外，如果可以追问的话，我想问问您之前与当选总统的谈话。在不过多涉及个人层面的情况下，我很好奇，您是否利用那个机会说服他重新审视一些您卸任后留下的重要理念——比如保留《平价医疗法案》的某些部分，比如让"梦想生"（DREAMers）留在这个国家而不必担心被驱逐。您是否用亲身经历来说服他？您有多成功？
President Obama: Well, I won’t go into details of my conversations with President-elect Trump. As I’ve said before, they are cordial. At times they've been fairly lengthy and they've been substantive. I can't tell you how convincing I’ve been. I think you'd had to ask him whether I’ve been convincing or not. 奥巴马总统：我不会详细谈论我与当选总统特朗普的谈话。正如我之前所说，它们是友好的。有时会谈相当长，也很有实质内容。我无法告诉你们我有多有说服力。我想你们得去问他我是否有说服力。
I have offered my best advice, counsel about certain issues both foreign and domestic. And my working assumption is, is that having won an election opposed to a number of my initiatives and certain aspects of my vision for where the country needs to go, it is appropriate for him to go forward with his vision and his values. And I don't expect that there’s going to be enormous overlap. 我已经就某些国内外问题提供了我最好的建议和意见。我的工作假设是，既然他赢得了选举，而他反对我的许多举措以及我对国家发展方向的某些愿景，那么他推进自己的愿景和价值观是合理的。我不认为会有大量的重叠。
It may be that on certain issues, once he comes into office and he looks at the complexities of how to, in fact, provide health care for everybody -- something he says he wants to do -- or wants to make sure that he is encouraging job creation and wage growth in this country, that that may lead him to some of the same conclusions that I arrived at once I got here. 可能在某些问题上，一旦他上任并真正了解到如何为所有人提供医疗保障的复杂性——这是他说他想做的事情——或者想确保他在这个国家促进就业增长和工资增长，这可能会让他得出一些与我上任后得出的相同结论。
But I don't think we’ll know until he has an actual chance to get sworn in and sit behind that desk. And I think a lot of his views are going to be shaped by his advisors, the people around him -- which is why it’s important to pay attention to these confirmation hearings. 但我认为，在他真正宣誓就职并坐在那张办公桌后面之前，我们不会知道。我认为他的很多观点将由他的顾问、他周围的人所塑造——这就是为什么关注这些确认听证会很重要。
I can tell you that -- and this is something I have told him -- that this is a job of such magnitude that you can't do it by yourself. You are enormously reliant on a team. Your Cabinet, your senior White House staff, all the way to fairly junior folks in their 20s and 30s, but who are executing on significant responsibilities. 我可以告诉你们——这也是我告诉他的——这份工作规模如此之大，你不可能一个人完成。你极度依赖一个团队。你的内阁、你的白宫高级幕僚，一直到20多岁、30多岁的初级工作人员，但他们都在执行重要的职责。
And so how you put a team together to make sure that they're getting you the best information and they are teeing up the options from which you will ultimately make decisions, that's probably the most useful advice, the most constructive advice that I've been able to give him. That if you find yourself isolated because the process breaks down, or if you're only hearing from people who agree with you on everything, or if you haven’t created a process that is fact-checking and probing and asking hard questions about policies or promises that you've made, that's when you start making mistakes. 所以，如何组建一个团队，确保他们为你提供最好的信息，并为你梳理出你最终将做出决定的各种选项，这可能是我能给他的最有用、最有建设性的建议。如果你发现自己因为流程崩溃而被孤立，或者你只听到那些事事都同意你的人的声音，或者你没有建立一个对政策或你做出的承诺进行事实验证、深入探究和提出尖锐问题的流程，那就是你开始犯错误的时候。
And as I indicated in some of my previous remarks, reality has a way of biting back if you're not paying attention to it. 正如我在之前的一些讲话中所指出的，如果你不关注现实，现实总会有办法反咬你一口。
With respect to the inauguration, I'm not going to comment on those issues. All I know is I'm going to be there. So is Michelle. And I have been checking the weather, and I'm heartened by the fact that it won't be as cold as my first inauguration because that was cold. 关于就职典礼，我不会对这些问题发表评论。我只知道我会去。米歇尔也会。我一直在查天气，让我感到欣慰的是，不会像我第一次就职时那么冷——那次可真冷。
Jen Rodriguez. 珍·罗德里格斯。
Question: Right here, Mr. President. Thank you very much. You have said that you would come back to fight for the DREAMers. You said that a couple of weeks ago. Are you fearful for the status of those DREAMers, the future of the young immigrants and all immigrants in this country with the new administration? And what did you mean when you said you would come back? Would you lobby Congress? Maybe explore the political arena again? And if I may ask you a second question -- why did you take action on "dry foot, wet foot" a week ago? 提问：总统先生，我在这里。非常感谢。您说过您会回来为"梦想生"而战。您几周前说过这话。您是否为这些梦想生的地位、年轻移民以及这个国家所有移民的未来感到担忧——在新政府的领导下？您说您会回来是什么意思？您会游说国会吗？也许重返政坛？还有第二个问题——为什么您一周前要采取行动终止"湿脚干脚"政策？
President Obama: Well, let me be absolutely clear. I did not mean that I was going to be running for anything anytime soon. What I meant is that it's important for me to take some time to process this amazing experience that we've gone through; to make sure that my wife, with whom I will be celebrating a 25th anniversary this year, is willing to re-up and put up with me for a little bit longer. I want to do some writing. I want to be quiet a little bit and not hear myself talk so darn much. I want to spend precious time with my girls. 奥巴马总统：让我把话说清楚。我的意思不是说我很快就要竞选什么职位。我的意思是，对我来说，重要的是花一些时间来消化我们所经历的这段奇妙经历；确保我的妻子——今年我将和她庆祝25周年纪念日——愿意续约，再忍受我一段时间。我想写点东西。我想安静一阵子，别再听自己说那么多话了。我想和我的女儿们共度宝贵的时光。
So those are my priorities this year. But as I said before, I'm still a citizen. And I think it is important for Democrats or progressives who feel that they came out on the wrong side of this election to be able to distinguish between the normal back-and-forth, ebb and flow of policy -- are we going to raise taxes or are we going to lower taxes; are we going to expand this program or eliminate this program; how concerned are we about air pollution or climate change. Those are all normal parts of the debate. 这些是我今年的优先事项。但正如我之前所说，我仍然是一个公民。我认为，对于那些感到自己在这次选举中站错了队的民主党人或进步人士来说，重要的是能够区分正常的政策来回摇摆和消长——我们是要增税还是减税；我们是要扩大这个项目还是取消这个项目；我们对空气污染或气候变化有多担忧。这些都是辩论的正常组成部分。
And as I've said before, in a democracy, sometimes you're going to win on those issues and sometimes you're going to lose. 正如我之前所说，在民主制度中，有时你会在这些问题上赢，有时你会输。
I'm confident about the rightness of my positions on a lot of these points, but we got a new President and a Congress that are going to make their same determinations. And there will be a back-and-forth in Congress around those issues, and you guys will report on all that. 我对自己在很多这些问题上的立场的正确性有信心，但我们有了新总统和新国会，他们会做出自己的判断。国会将就这些问题进行辩论，你们会报道所有这一切。
But there's difference between that normal functioning of politics and certain issues or certain moments where I think our core values may be at stake. I put in that category, if I saw systematic discrimination being ratified in some fashion. I'd put in that category, explicit or functional obstacles to people being able to vote, to exercise their franchise. I'd put in that category, institutional efforts to silence dissent or the press. 但正常的政治运作与某些问题或某些时刻——我认为我们的核心价值观可能受到威胁——之间是有区别的。我会把以下情况归入这一类：如果我看到系统性歧视以某种方式被合法化。我会把明确或事实上阻碍人们投票、行使选举权的障碍归入这一类。我会把压制异见或新闻界的制度性努力归入这一类。
And for me, at least, I would put in that category, efforts to round up kids who have grown up here and for all practical purposes are American kids and send them someplace else when they love this country; they are our kids' friends and their classmates, and are now entering into community colleges or, in some cases, serving in our military. The notion that we would just arbitrarily, or because of politics, punish those kids when they didn't do anything wrong themselves I think would be something that would merit me speaking out. It doesn't mean that I would get on the ballot anywhere. 对我来说，至少我会把以下情况归入这一类：试图把那些在这里长大、实际上就是美国孩子的年轻人围捕起来并送到别的地方去——他们热爱这个国家；他们是我们孩子的朋友和同学，现在正进入社区大学，或者在某些情况下正在我们的军队服役。我们仅仅因为政治原因就任意惩罚这些孩子，而他们自己没有做错任何事——我认为这种情况值得我站出来发声。这并不意味着我会去参选任何职位。
With respect to “wet foot, dry foot,” we underwent a monumental shift in our policy towards Cuba. My view was, after 50 years of a policy not working, it made sense for us to try to reopen diplomatic relations, to engage a Cuban government, to be honest with them about the strong disagreements we have around political repression and treatment of dissenters and freedom of press and freedom of religion, but that to make progress for the Cuban people, our best shot was to suddenly have the Cuban people interacting with Americans, and seeing the incredible success of the Cuban American community, 关于"湿脚干脚"政策，我们对古巴政策进行了重大调整。我的观点是，在50年的政策行不通之后，我们有理由尝试重新开启外交关系，与古巴政府接触，坦诚地告诉他们我们在政治压迫、对待异见人士、新闻自由和宗教自由方面的强烈分歧，但要为古巴人民取得进展，我们最好的机会是让古巴人民与美国人互动，让他们看到古巴裔美国人社区的惊人成功，
and engaging in commerce and business and trade, and that it was through that process of opening up these bilateral relations that you would see over time serious and significant improvement. 并参与商业和贸易，通过开启双边关系的进程，随着时间的推移，你会看到认真和显著的改善。
Given that shift in the relationship, the policy that we had in place was “wet foot, dry foot,” which treated Cuban emigres completely different from folks from El Salvador, or Guatemala, or Nicaragua, or any other part of the world, one that made a distinction between whether you got here by land or by foot -- that was a carryover of a old way of thinking that didn't make sense in this day and age, particularly as we're opening up travel between the two countries. 鉴于两国关系的这种转变，我们过去实行的"湿脚干脚"政策——对待古巴移民与来自萨尔瓦多、危地马拉、尼加拉瓜或世界其他任何地方的人完全不同，根据你是从陆路还是海路来到这里来区别对待——是旧思维方式的遗留物，在当今时代已经没有意义了，特别是在我们正在开放两国之间旅行的情况下。
And so we had very lengthy consultations with the Department of Homeland Security. We had some tough negotiations with the Cuban government. But we arrived at a policy which we think is both fair and appropriate to the changing nature of the relationship between the two countries. 因此，我们与国土安全部进行了非常长时间的磋商。我们与古巴政府进行了一些艰难的谈判。但我们达成了一项政策，我们认为这项政策既公平，又适合两国关系不断变化的性质。
Nadia Bilbassy. 娜迪亚·比尔巴西。
Question: Thank you, sir. I appreciate the opportunity, and I want you and your family best of luck in the future. 提问：谢谢您，总统先生。感谢给我这个机会，祝您和您的家人未来一切顺利。
President Obama: Thank you. 奥巴马总统：谢谢你。
Question: Mr. President, you have been criticized and even personally attacked for the U.N. Security Council resolution that considered the Israeli settlements illegal and an obstacle to peace. Mr. Trump promised to move the embassy to Jerusalem. He appointed an ambassador that doesn't believe in the two-state solution. How worried are you about the U.S. leadership in the Arab world and beyond as an honest broker? Will this ignite a third intifada? Will this even protect Israel? 提问：总统先生，您因为联合国安理会关于以色列定居点非法且是和平障碍的决议而受到批评甚至人身攻击。特朗普先生承诺将大使馆迁至耶路撒冷。他任命了一位不相信两国方案的大使。您有多担心美国在阿拉伯世界及其他地区作为诚实中间人的领导力？这会引发第三次起义吗？这甚至能保护以色列吗？
And in retrospect, do you think that you should have held Israel more accountable, like President Bush, Senior, did with the loan guarantees? Thank you. 现在回想起来，您是否认为您应该像老布什总统对待贷款担保那样，让以色列承担更多责任？谢谢您。
President Obama: I continue to be significantly worried about the Israeli-Palestinian issue. And I’m worried about it both because I think the status quo is unsustainable, that it is dangerous for Israel, that it is bad for Palestinians, it is bad for the region, and it is bad for America’s national security. 奥巴马总统：我仍然对以巴问题深感担忧。我担忧是因为我认为现状是不可持续的，它对以色列是危险的，对巴勒斯坦人是不利的，对地区是有害的，对美国国家安全也是不利的。
And I came into this office wanting to do everything I could to encourage serious peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians. And we invested a lot of energy, a lot of time, a lot of effort, first year, second year, all the way until last year. Ultimately, what has always been clear is that we cannot force the parties to arrive at peace. What we can do is facilitate, provide a platform, encourage. But we can't force them to do it. 我上任时，想尽我所能推动以巴之间进行严肃的和平谈判。我们投入了大量的精力、时间和努力，从第一年、第二年一直到去年。但最终，一直很清楚的是，我们不能强迫双方实现和平。我们能做的是促进、提供平台、鼓励。但我们不能强迫他们这样做。
But in light of shifts in Israeli politics and Palestinian politics; a rightward drift in Israeli politics; a weakening of President Abbas’s ability to move and take risks on behalf of peace in the Palestinian Territories; in light of all the dangers that have emerged in the region and the understandable fears that Israelis may have about the chaos and rise of groups like ISIL and the deterioration of Syria -- 但鉴于以色列政治和巴勒斯坦政治的变化；以色列政治的右倾化；阿巴斯总统在巴勒斯坦领土上为和平采取行动、承担风险的能力在减弱；鉴于该地区出现的所有危险，以及以色列人对ISIL（伊斯兰国）等组织的崛起和叙利亚局势恶化的混乱可以理解的恐惧——
in light of all those things, what we at least wanted to do, understanding that the two parties wouldn’t actually arrive at a final status agreement, is to preserve the possibility of a two-state solution. Because we do not see an alternative to it. 鉴于所有这些情况，我们至少想做的——我们明白双方不会真正达成最终地位协议——是保留两国方案的可能性。因为我们看不到替代方案。
And I’ve said this directly to Prime Minister Netanyahu. I’ve said it inside of Israel. I’ve said it to Palestinians, as well. I don't see how this issues gets resolved in a way that maintains Israel as both Jewish and a democracy, because if you do not have two states, then in some form or fashion you are extending an occupation, functionally you end up having one state in which millions of people are disenfranchised and operate as second-class occupant -- residents. You can’t even call them citizens, necessarily. 我已经直接对内塔尼亚胡总理说过这话。我在以色列国内也说过。我也对巴勒斯坦人说过。我看不出这个问题如何能在保持以色列既是犹太国家又是民主国家的情况下得到解决，因为如果没有两个国家，那么你以某种形式延长占领，实际上最终会变成一个国家，其中数百万人被剥夺公民权，作为二等居民生活——你甚至不一定能称他们为公民。
And so the goal of the resolution was to simply say that the settlements -- the growth of the settlements are creating a reality on the ground that increasingly will make a two-state solution impossible. And we believed, consistent with the position that had been taken with previous U.S. administrations for decades now, that it was important for us to send a signal, a wake-up call, that this moment may be passing, and Israeli voters and Palestinians need to understand that this moment may be passing. 因此，这项决议的目的只是要说，定居点——定居点的扩张正在地面上创造一种现实，这将越来越使两国方案变得不可能。我们认为，与美国历届政府几十年来的立场一致，我们有必要发出一个信号，一个警钟，即这个时刻可能正在过去，以色列选民和巴勒斯坦人需要明白这个时刻可能正在过去。
And hopefully that, then, creates a debate inside both Israeli and Palestinian communities that won’t result immediately in peace, but at least will lead to a more sober assessment of what the alternatives are. 希望这能在以色列和巴勒斯坦社区内部引发辩论，虽然不会立即带来和平，但至少会导致对替代方案有更清醒的认识。
So the President-elect will have his own policy. The ambassador -- or the candidate for the ambassadorship obviously has very different views than I do. That is their prerogative. That’s part of what happens after elections. And I think my views are clear. We’ll see how their approach plays itself out. 所以当选总统会有他自己的政策。这位大使——或者说大使候选人——显然与我有非常不同的观点。那是他们的特权。这是选举后会发生的事情的一部分。我认为我的观点很清楚。我们拭目以待他们的做法会如何发展。
I don’t want to project today what could end up happening, but obviously it’s a volatile environment. What we’ve seen in the past is, when sudden, unilateral moves are made that speak to some of the core issues and sensitivities of either side, that can be explosive. And what we’ve tried to do in the transition is just to provide the context in which the President-elect may want to make some of these decisions. 我不想今天就预测最终会发生什么，但显然这是一个动荡的环境。我们过去看到的是，当突然的单边行动触及双方的一些核心问题和敏感点时，可能会引发爆炸。我们在过渡时期努力做的，只是提供背景，让当选总统可能想在这些背景下做出一些决定。
Question: Are you worried that this [inaudible] -- 提问：您是否担心这[听不清]——
President Obama: Well, that’s part of what we’ve tried to indicate to the incoming team in our transition process, is pay attention to this, because this is volatile stuff. People feel deeply and passionately about this. And as I’ve said I think many times, the actions that we take have enormous consequences and ramifications. 奥巴马总统：这正是我们在过渡过程中试图向即将上任的团队指出的——要注意这一点，因为这是非常动荡的事情。人们对此感受深刻而强烈。正如我已经说过很多次的，我们采取的行动会产生巨大的后果和影响。
We’re the biggest kid on the block. And I think it is right and appropriate for a new President to test old assumptions and reexamine the old ways of doing things. But if you’re going to make big shifts in policy, just make sure you’ve thought it through, and understand that there are going to be consequences, and actions typically create reactions, and so you want to be intentional about it. You don’t want to do things off the cuff when it comes to an issue this volatile. 我们是街区里最大的孩子。我认为新总统去检验旧假设、重新审视做事的旧方式是正确和恰当的。但如果你要在政策上做出重大转变，一定要深思熟虑，要明白会有后果，行动通常会引发反应，所以你要有意为之。在如此动荡的问题上，你不能凭一时冲动行事。
Chris Johnson. 克里斯·约翰逊。
Question: On LGBT rights -- 提问：关于LGBT权利——
President Obama: I'm sorry, where is Chris? 奥巴马总统：对不起，克里斯在哪里？
Question: I'm right here in the back. 提问：我在后面。
President Obama: I'm sorry, didn’t see you. 奥巴马总统：对不起，没看到你。
Question: On LGBT rights, we've seen a lot of achievements over the past eight years, including signing hate crimes protection legislation, "don’t ask, don’t tell" repeal, marriage equality nationwide, and ensuring transgender people feel visible and accepted. How do you think LGBT rights will rank in terms of your accomplishments and your legacy? And how confident are you that progress will endure or continue under the President-elect? 提问：关于LGBT权利，过去八年我们看到了很多成就，包括签署仇恨犯罪保护法、废除"不问不说"政策、全国婚姻平等，以及确保跨性别群体感受到被看见和被接纳。您认为LGBT权利在您的成就和遗产中会排在什么位置？您有多有信心这种进步会在当选总统领导下持续或继续下去？
President Obama: I could not be prouder of the transformation that's taken place in our society just in the last decade. And I've said before, I think we made some useful contributions to it, but the primary heroes in this stage of our growth as a democracy and a society are all the individual activists, and sons and daughters and couples who courageously said, this is who I am and I'm proud of it. 奥巴马总统：我为过去十年我们社会发生的转变感到无比自豪。我以前说过，我认为我们为此做出了一些有益的贡献，但在我们民主和社会发展的这个阶段，主要的英雄是所有的个人活动家，是那些勇敢地说"这就是我，我为此感到自豪"的儿女和伴侣们。
And that opened people's minds and opened their hearts. And, eventually, laws caught up. But I don’t think any of that would have happened without the activism -- in some cases, loud and noisy, but in some cases, just quiet and very personal. 这打开了人们的思想和心扉。最终，法律也跟上了。但我认为，如果没有这些行动——有些是轰轰烈烈的，有些则是安静而非常个人化的——这一切都不会发生。
And I think that what we did as an administration was to help the society to move in a better direction, but to do so in a way that didn’t create an enormous backlash, and was systematic and respectful of the fact that, in some cases, these issues were controversial. 我认为我们政府所做的是帮助社会朝着更好的方向前进，而且是以一种不会引发巨大反弹的方式，是系统性的，同时也尊重在某些情况下这些问题是有争议的这一事实。
I think the way we handled, for example, "don’t ask, don’t tell" -- being methodical about it, working with the Joint Chiefs, making sure that we showed this would not have an impact on the effectiveness of the greatest military on Earth -- and then to have Defense Secretary Bob Gates and Chairman Mike Mullen and a Joint Chiefs who were open to evidence and ultimately worked with me to do the right thing -- I am proud of that. But, again, none of that would have happened without this incredible transformation that was happening in society out there. 我认为我们处理"不问不说"政策的方式——有条不紊地进行，与参谋长联席会议合作，确保我们证明这不会影响地球上最强大军队的战斗力——然后有国防部长鲍勃·盖茨、参谋长联席会议主席迈克·马伦以及愿意接受证据并最终与我一起做正确事情的参谋长们——我为此感到自豪。但同样，如果没有社会上正在发生的这种令人难以置信的转变，这一切都不会发生。
You know, when I gave Ellen the Presidential Medal of Freedom, I meant what I said. I think somebody that kind and likeable projecting into living rooms around the country -- that changed attitudes. And that wasn’t easy to do for her. And that's just one small example of what was happening in countless communities all across the country. 你们知道，当我把总统自由勋章授予艾伦（脱口秀主持人Ellen DeGeneres）时，我是真心的。我认为一个那么善良、那么讨人喜欢的人出现在全国各地的客厅里——改变了人们的态度。这对她来说并不容易。而这只是全国各地无数社区中正在发生的事情的一个小例子。
So I’m proud that in certain places we maybe provided a good block downfield to help the movement advance. 所以我很自豪，在某些地方，我们也许提供了一个很好的阻挡，帮助运动前进。
I don't think it is something that will be reversible because American society has changed; the attitudes of young people, in particular, have changed. That doesn't mean there aren’t going to be some fights that are important -- legal issues, issues surrounding transgender persons -- there are still going to be some battles that need to take place. 我认为这是不可逆转的，因为美国社会已经改变了；尤其是年轻人的态度已经改变了。这并不意味着不会有一些重要的斗争——法律问题，围绕跨性别者的问题——仍然会有一些需要进行的战斗。
But if you talk to young people of Malia, Sasha’s generation, even if they’re Republicans, even if they're conservative, many of them would tell you, I don't understand how you would discriminate against somebody because of sexual orientation. That's just sort of burned into them in pretty powerful ways. 但如果你和玛丽亚、萨沙那一代的年轻人交谈，即使他们是共和党人，即使他们是保守派，他们中的很多人会告诉你，我不明白你怎么能因为性取向而歧视某人。这种观念已经以非常强有力的方式深植于他们心中。
April Ryan. 艾普丽尔·瑞安。
Question: Thank you, Mr. President. Long before today you’ve been considered a rights President. Under your watch, people have said that you have expanded the rubber band of inclusion. And with the election and the incoming administration, people are saying that rubber band has recoiled and maybe is even broken. And I’m taking you back to a time on Air Force One going to Selma, Alabama, when you said your job was to close the gaps that remain. And with that, what gaps still remain when it comes to rights issues on the table? 提问：谢谢您，总统先生。早在今天之前，您就被认为是一位民权总统。在您的任期内，人们说您扩展了包容的橡皮筋。而随着这次选举和即将上任的政府，人们说橡皮筋已经回弹了，甚至可能断了。让我带您回到在空军一号上前往阿拉巴马州塞尔玛的时候，当时您说您的工作是弥合尚存的差距。那么，在民权问题上，还有哪些差距仍然存在？
And also what part will you play in fixing those gaps after -- in your new life? 还有，在您卸任后的新生活中，您将在修复这些差距方面发挥什么作用？
And lastly, you are the first black President. Do you expect this country to see this again? 最后，您是第一位黑人总统。您期望这个国家还会再有吗？
President Obama: Well, I’ll answer the last question first. I think we're going to see people of merit rise up from every race, faith, corner of this country, because that's America’s strength. When we have everybody getting a chance and everybody is on the field, we end up being better. 奥巴马总统：我先回答最后一个问题。我认为我们会看到有才能的人从这个国家的每个种族、信仰、角落中崛起，因为这就是美国的力量所在。当每个人都有机会，每个人都在场上时，我们最终会变得更好。
I think I’ve used this analogy before. We killed it in the Olympics in Brazil. And Michelle and I, we always have our -- the Olympic team here. And it’s a lot of fun, first of all, just because anytime you're meeting somebody who is the best at anything, it’s impressive. And these mostly very young people are all just so healthy-looking, and they just beam and exude fitness and health. And so we have a great time talking to them. 我想我以前用过这个比喻。我们在巴西奥运会上大获全胜。米歇尔和我，我们总是在这里接待奥运代表队。首先，这很有趣，因为任何时候你遇到在某件事上最顶尖的人，都令人印象深刻。这些大多是非常年轻的人，看起来都那么健康，他们浑身散发着健身和健康的气息。所以我们和他们聊得很开心。
But they are of all shapes, sizes, colors -- the genetic diversity that is on display is remarkable. And if you look at a Simone Biles, and then you look at a Michael Phelps, they're completely different. And it's precisely because of those differences that we've got people here who can excel at any sport. 但他们高矮胖瘦各不相同——所展现的基因多样性令人惊叹。如果你看看西蒙·拜尔斯，再看看迈克尔·菲尔普斯，他们完全不同。正是因为这些差异，我们才有了能在任何运动中脱颖而出的人才。
And, by the way, more than half of our medals came from women. And the reason is, is because we had the foresight several decades ago, with something called Title 9, to make sure that women got opportunities in sports, which is why our women compete better -- because they have more opportunities than folks in other countries. 顺便说一句，我们一半以上的奖牌来自女性。原因是，几十年前我们有先见之明，推出了《第九条》（Title IX），确保女性在体育方面获得机会，这就是为什么我们的女运动员表现更好——因为她们比其他国家的人有更多的机会。
So I use that as a metaphor. And if, in fact, we continue to keep opportunity open to everybody, then, yes, we're going to have a woman President, we're going to have a Latino President, and we'll have a Jewish President, a Hindu President. Who knows who we're going to have? I suspect we'll have a whole bunch of mixed-up Presidents at some point that nobody really knows what to call them. And that's fine. 所以我用这个来打比方。如果我们继续向所有人开放机会，那么，是的，我们会有一位女总统，我们会有一位拉丁裔总统，我们会有一位犹太裔总统，一位印度教总统。谁知道我们会有什么样的总统？我猜想我们迟早会有一大堆混血总统，没人知道该怎么称呼他们。这很好。
But what do I worry about? I obviously spent a lot of time on this, April, at my farewell address on Tuesday, so I won't go through the whole list. I worry about inequality, because I think that if we are not investing in making sure everybody plays a role in this economy, the economy will not grow as fast, and I think it will also lead to further and further separation between us as Americans -- not just along racial lines. There are a whole bunch of folks who voted for the President-elect because they feel forgotten and disenfranchised. They feel as if they're being looked down on. 但我担心什么呢？艾普丽尔，我周二的告别演说显然花了很多时间谈这个，所以我就不一一列举了。我担心不平等问题，因为我认为如果我们不投资确保每个人都能在这个经济中发挥作用，经济就不会那么快增长，我还认为这将导致美国人之间越来越大的隔阂——不仅仅是种族方面的。有整整一批人投票给当选总统，是因为他们感到被遗忘和被剥夺了权利。他们觉得自己被看不起。
They feel as if their kids aren't going to have the same opportunities as they did. 他们觉得自己的孩子不会有和他们一样的机会。
And you don't want to have an America in which a very small sliver of people are doing really well and everybody else is fighting for scraps, as I said last week. Because that's oftentimes when racial divisions get magnified, because people think, well, the only way I'm going to get ahead is if I make sure somebody else gets less, somebody who doesn't look like me or doesn't worship at the same place I do. That's not a good recipe for our democracy. 你不会想要这样一个美国：极少数人过得非常好，而其他所有人都在为残羹冷炙而战——正如我上周所说。因为通常就是在这种时候，种族分裂会被放大，因为人们会想，我要出人头地的唯一办法就是确保别人得到更少，某个看起来不像我或和我不信同一个宗教的人得到更少。这对我们的民主来说不是好事。
I worry about, as I said in response to a previous question, making sure that the basic machinery of our democracy works better. We are the only country in the advanced world that makes it harder to vote rather than easier. And that dates back -- there's an ugly history to that that we should not be shy about talking about. 正如我在回答上一个问题时所说的，我担心的是确保我们民主的基本机制运转得更好。我们是发达国家中唯一一个让投票变得更难而不是更容易的国家。这可以追溯到——有一段丑陋的历史，我们不应该羞于谈论。
Question: Voting rights? 提问：投票权？
President Obama: Yes, I'm talking about voting rights. The reason that we are the only country among advanced democracies that makes it harder to vote is it traces directly back to Jim Crow and the legacy of slavery. And it became sort of acceptable to restrict the franchise. And that's not who we are. That shouldn't be who we are. That's not when America works best. 奥巴马总统：是的，我说的是投票权。我们之所以是先进民主国家中唯一一个让投票变得更难的国家，直接可以追溯到吉姆·克劳法和奴隶制的遗留问题。限制选举权变得某种程度上可以接受了。但那不是我们的本色。那不应该是我们的本色。那不是美国运转最好的时候。
So I hope that people pay a lot of attention to making sure that everybody has a chance to vote. Make it easier, not harder. This whole notion of election -- of voting fraud, this is something that has constantly been disproved. This is fake news -- the notion that there are a whole bunch of people out there who are going out there and are not eligible to vote and want to vote. We have the opposite problem. We have a whole bunch of people who are eligible to vote who don't vote. And so the idea that we'd put in place a whole bunch of barriers to people voting doesn't make sense. 所以我希望人们多多关注确保每个人都有投票机会这件事。让它变得更容易，而不是更难。所谓选举舞弊的说法，一直在被不断证伪。这是假新闻——说什么有一大堆人没有投票资格却想去投票。我们的问题恰恰相反。我们有一大堆有投票资格的人不去投票。所以我们设置一大堆投票障碍的想法毫无意义。
And then, as I've said before, political gerrymandering that makes your vote matter less because politicians have decided you live in a district where everybody votes the same way you do so that these aren't competitive races, and we get 90 percent Democratic districts, 90 percent Republican districts -- that's bad for our democracy, too. I worry about that. 然后，正如我之前所说，政治选区划分让你的选票变得不那么重要，因为政客们已经决定你住在一个人人都和你投票方式一样的选区，所以这些不是竞争性的选举，我们有90%的民主党选区、90%的共和党选区——这对我们的民主也不利。我对此感到担忧。
I think it is very important for us to make sure that our criminal justice system is fair and just. But I also think it's also very important to make sure that it is not politicized, that it maintains an integrity that is outside of partisan politics at every level. 我认为确保我们的刑事司法系统公平公正非常重要。但我也认为确保它不被政治化、在各级都保持超越党派政治的完整性也非常重要。
I think at some point we’re going to have to spend -- and this will require some action by the Supreme Court -- we have to reexamine just the flood of endless money that goes into our politics, which I think is very unhealthy. 我认为在某个时候我们将不得不——这需要最高法院采取一些行动——我们必须重新审视涌入我们政治中的无尽金钱洪流，我认为这非常不健康。
So there are a whole bunch of things I worry about there. And as I said in my speech on Tuesday, we got more work to do on race. It is not -- it is simply not true that things have gotten worse. They haven’t. Things are getting better. And I have more confidence on racial issues in the next generation than I do in our generation or the previous generation. I think kids are smarter about it. They’re more tolerant. They are more inclusive by instinct than we are. And hopefully my presidency maybe helped that along a little bit. 所以我有很多担忧的事情。正如我周二的演讲中所说，在种族问题上我们还有更多工作要做。情况并没有——情况并没有变得更糟。没有。情况正在好转。我对下一代在种族问题上比我们这一代或上一代更有信心。我认为孩子们在这方面更聪明。他们更宽容。他们本能地比我们更具包容性。希望我的总统任期也许对此有所推动。
But, you know, we -- when we feel stress, when we feel pressure, when we’re just fed information that encourages some of our worst instincts, we tend to fall back into some of the old racial fears and racial divisions and racial stereotypes. And it’s very hard for us to break out of those, and to listen, and to think about people as people, and to imagine being in that person’s shoes. 但是，你知道，当我们感到压力时，当我们感到压迫时，当我们被灌输的信息助长了我们一些最坏的本能时，我们往往会退回到一些旧的种族恐惧、种族分裂和种族刻板印象中。我们很难从中挣脱出来，去倾听，去把人当人看，去换位思考。
And by the way, it’s no longer a black and white issue alone. You got Hispanic folks, and you got Asian folks, and this is not just the same old battles. We’ve got this stew that’s bubbling up of people from everywhere. And we’re going to have to make sure that we, in our own lives, in our own families and workplaces, do a better job of treating everybody with basic respect. 顺便说一句，这不再仅仅是黑白问题了。还有拉美裔、亚裔，这不是老一套的斗争了。我们有这锅来自世界各地的人们正在沸腾的大杂烩。我们将必须确保我们在自己的生活中、在自己的家庭和工作场所，更好地以基本的尊重对待每一个人。
And understanding that not everybody starts off in the same situation, and imagining what would it be like if you were born in an inner city and had no job prospects anywhere within a 20-mile radius, or how does it feel being born in some rural county where there’s no job opportunities in a 20-mile radius -- and seeing those two things as connected as opposed to separate. 并且理解不是每个人都从同样的处境出发，想象一下如果你出生在市中心，20英里范围内没有任何工作机会会是什么感觉，或者出生在某个乡村县、20英里范围内没有工作机会是什么感觉——并且把这两件事看作是相互关联的，而不是分开的。
So we got work to do. But, overall, I think on this front, the trend lines ultimately, I think, will be good. 所以我们还有工作要做。但总体而言，我认为在这方面，趋势线最终会是好的。
Christi Parsons. And Christi, you are going to get the last question. 克里斯蒂·帕森斯。克里斯蒂，你来问最后一个问题。
Question: Oh, no. 提问：哦，不会吧。
President Obama: Christi is -- I’ve been knowing her since Springfield, Illinois. When I was a state senator, she listened to what I had to say. So the least I can do is give her the last question as President of the United States. 奥巴马总统：克里斯蒂——我在伊利诺伊州斯普林菲尔德的时候就认识她了。我还是州参议员的时候，她就听我说话。所以我至少能做的就是让她问我作为美国总统的最后一个问题。
Go on. 来吧。
Question: 217 numbers still work. 提问：217号还能用。
President Obama: There you go. Go ahead. 奥巴马总统：那就好。问吧。
Question: Well, thank you, Mr. President. It has been an honor. 提问：好的，谢谢您，总统先生。这是一种荣幸。
President Obama: Thank you. 奥巴马总统：谢谢你。
Question: And I have a personal question for you, because I know how much you like this. The First Lady puts the stakes of the 2016 election in very personal terms in a speech that resonated across the country, and she really spoke the concerns of a lot of women, LGBT folks, people of color, many others. And so I wonder now how you and the First Lady are talking to your daughters about the meaning of this election and how you interpret it for yourself and for them. 提问：我有一个私人问题想问您，因为我知道您有多喜欢这个。第一夫人在一次在全国引起共鸣的演讲中，用非常个人化的方式阐述了2016年大选的利害关系，她真正说出了很多女性、LGBT群体、有色人种以及其他许多人的担忧。所以我想知道，现在您和第一夫人是如何向女儿们解释这次选举的意义的？您自己又如何解读它，以及如何向她们解读？
President Obama: You know, every parent brags on their daughters or their sons. If your mom and dad don’t brag on you, you know you got problems. But, man, my daughters are something, and they just surprise and enchant and impress me more and more every single day as they grow up. And so these days, when we talk, we talk as parent to child, but also we learn from them. 奥巴马总统：你知道，每个父母都会夸耀自己的儿女。如果你爸妈都不夸耀你，你就知道有问题了。但是，伙计，我的女儿们真的很棒，她们一天天长大，越来越让我惊喜、着迷和印象深刻。所以这些天，我们交谈时，我们是作为父母和孩子交谈，但我们也从她们身上学习。
And I think it was really interesting to see how Malia and Sasha reacted. They were disappointed. They paid attention to what their mom said during the campaign and believed it because it’s consistent with what we’ve tried to teach them in our household, and what I've tried to model as a father with their mom, and what we've asked them to expect from future boyfriends or spouses. 我觉得看到玛丽亚和萨沙的反应真的很有趣。她们很失望。她们关注了她们妈妈在竞选期间说的话，并且相信那些话，因为这与我们在家里努力教给她们的东西是一致的，与我作为父亲和她们妈妈一起努力树立的榜样是一致的，也与我们要求她们对未来男朋友或配偶所期望的是一致的。
But what we've also tried to teach them is resilience, and we've tried to teach them hope, and that the only thing that is the end of the world is the end of the world. And so you get knocked down, you get up, brush yourself off, and you get back to work. And that tended to be their attitude. 但我们也努力教给她们的是坚韧，我们努力教给她们希望，以及唯一算得上世界末日的事情就是世界末日本身。所以你被击倒了，你就站起来，拍拍身上的灰，然后继续努力。而这往往就是她们的态度。
I think neither of them intend to pursue a future of politics -- and, in that, too, I think their mother's influence shows. But both of them have grown up in an environment where I think they could not help but be patriotic, to love this country deeply, to see that it's flawed but see that they have responsibilities to fix it. And that they need to be active citizens, and they have to be in a position to talk to their friends and their teachers and their future coworkers in ways that try to shed some light as opposed to just generate a lot of sound and fury. 我认为她们俩都不打算追求政治前途——在这一点上，我认为也能看出她们妈妈的影响。但她们俩都是在这样一种环境中长大的：我认为她们不禁会爱国，会深深热爱这个国家，会看到它的不完美，但也看到她们有责任去修复它。她们需要成为积极的公民，她们需要能够与她们的朋友、老师和未来的同事交流，努力带来一些启发，而不只是制造一大堆喧嚣和怒火。
And I expect that's what they're going to do. They do not -- they don't mope. And what I really am proud of them -- what makes me proudest about them is that they also don't get cynical about it. They have not assumed because their side didn't win, or because some of the values that they care about don't seem as if they were vindicated, that automatically America has somehow rejected them or rejected their values. I don't think they feel that way. 我期望她们会这样做。她们不会——她们不会闷闷不乐。而我真正为她们感到骄傲的——让我最感骄傲的是——她们也不会因此变得愤世嫉俗。她们没有因为自己这一方输了，或者因为她们关心的一些价值观似乎没有得到验证，就理所当然地认为美国不知怎么地拒绝了她们或拒绝了她们的价值观。我不认为她们有那种感觉。
I think that they have, in part through osmosis, in part through dinnertime conversations, appreciated the fact that this is a big, complicated country, and democracy is messy and it doesn't always work exactly the way you might want, it doesn't guarantee certain outcomes. But if you're engaged and you're involved, then there are a lot more good people than bad in this country, and there's a core decency to this country, and that they got to be a part of lifting that up. 我认为，部分通过耳濡目染，部分通过晚餐桌上的对话，她们已经理解了这样一个事实：这是一个庞大而复杂的国家，民主是混乱的，它并不总是完全按照你想要的方式运转，它不保证特定的结果。但如果你参与其中、投身其中，那么这个国家好人比坏人多得多，这个国家有一种核心的正派，她们必须成为提升这种正派的一份子。
And I expect they will be. And in that sense, they are representative of this generation that makes me really optimistic. 我期望她们会这样做。从这个意义上说，她们代表了这一代人，这让我非常乐观。
I've been asked -- I've had some off-the-record conversations with some journalists where they said, okay, you seem like you're okay, but really, really, what are you thinking? And I've said, no, what I'm saying really is what I think. I believe in this country. I believe in the American people. I believe that people are more good than bad. I believe tragic things happen, I think there's evil in the world, but I think that at the end of the day, if we work hard, and if we're true to those things in us that feel true and feel right, that the world gets a little better each time. 有人问过我——我和一些记者有过一些私下交谈，他们说，好吧，你看起来没事，但说真的，你到底在想什么？我说，不，我说的就是我想的。我相信这个国家。我相信美国人民。我相信人性本善多于本恶。我相信悲惨的事情会发生，我认为世界上有邪恶，但我认为最终，如果我们努力工作，如果我们忠于我们内心那些真实和正确的东西，世界会每次都变得好一点。
That's what this presidency has tried to be about. And I see that in the young people I've worked with. I couldn't be prouder of them. And so this is not just a matter of "No Drama Obama" -- this is what I really believe. It is true that behind closed doors I curse more than I do publicly. And sometimes I get mad and frustrated, like everybody else does. But at my core, I think we're going to be okay. We just have to fight for it. We have to work for it, and not take it for granted. And I know that you will help us do that. 这就是这届总统任期一直努力想要传达的。我在我共事过的年轻人身上看到了这一点。我为他们感到无比骄傲。所以这不只是"淡定奥巴马"的人设——这就是我真正相信的。没错，关起门来我骂人的次数比在公开场合多。有时候我也会像其他人一样生气和沮丧。但在我的内心深处，我认为我们会没事的。我们只需要为之奋斗。我们必须为之努力，而不能视其为理所当然。我知道你们会帮助我们做到这一点。
Thank you very much, press corps. Good luck. 非常感谢你们，新闻界的各位。祝你们好运。