Chancellor Merkel: Ladies and gentlemen, I'm delighted to be able to welcome today for the sixth time the President of the United States of America, Barack Obama, to Germany. 默克尔总理：女士们，先生们，我非常高兴今天第六次欢迎美利坚合众国总统巴拉克·奥巴马访问德国。
In his capacity as President of the United States, let us remind ourselves -- visiting us in his capacity as candidate here in Berlin; we then met in Baden-Baden. We then met in Dresden and Buchenwald. We saw each other when he gave a speech at the Brandenburg Gate. In Elmau, we met again at the G7. Then Hannover Faire comes to mind. And today he is again here in Berlin. 以美国总统的身份——让我们回顾一下——他曾以总统候选人的身份访问柏林；之后我们在巴登-巴登会面。我们又在德累斯顿和布痕瓦尔德见面。他在勃兰登堡门发表演讲时我们再次相见。在埃尔毛，我们在G7峰会期间再次会面。然后是汉诺威工业博览会。今天他又来到了柏林。
So eight years are coming to a close. This is the last visit of Barack Obama to our country, to Germany. I am very glad that he chose Germany as one of the stopovers on this trip. And thank you very much. Thank you for the friendship you've always demonstrated. Thank you for the reliable friendship and partnership you demonstrated in very difficult hours of our relationship. So let me again pay tribute to what we've been able to achieve, to what we discussed, to what we were able to bring about in difficult hours. 八年即将过去。这是巴拉克·奥巴马最后一次以总统身份访问我们的国家——德国。我非常高兴他选择德国作为此行的一站。非常感谢你。感谢你一直以来展现的友谊。感谢你在我们关系最艰难的时刻所展现的可靠友谊与伙伴关系。请允许我再次向我们所取得的成就、我们所讨论的议题、以及我们在困难时刻能够达成的成果致以敬意。
It comes to mind, as I said, of those that had a bearing on the cooperation of our intelligence services, and I'm very grateful that Barack Obama, as President, very much put protection of privacy on the agenda today. Due to the fact of Islamist terrorism all over the world and the threat of IS, we recognize how important the cooperation with intelligence services, first and foremost, also with the services of the United States is. We need this cooperation. And we say this from a German perspective very clearly and unequivocally. 正如我所说，这让我想到了我们情报部门的合作。我非常感谢巴拉克·奥巴马作为总统，将隐私保护提上了重要议程。鉴于全球范围内的伊斯兰恐怖主义和"伊斯兰国"的威胁，我们认识到情报合作有多么重要，尤其是与美国情报部门的合作。我们需要这种合作。我们从德国的角度非常明确、毫不含糊地表明这一点。
Our bilateral relations are very good, they're very close. In the areas of business, of the economy, the United States of America last year were our most important trading partner. Both for Germany and the European Union, the European Union and the United States of America on the big, important economic areas for us, which is why I've always come out strongly in favor of concluding a trade agreement with the United States of America. 我们的双边关系非常好，非常密切。在商业和经济领域，美利坚合众国去年是我们最重要的贸易伙伴。对德国和欧盟而言，欧盟与美国在重大经济领域的合作至关重要，这也是为什么我一直强烈主张与美利坚合众国缔结贸易协定。
We have made progress, quite a lot of progress. They cannot be stopped, those negotiations. But we'll keep what we have achieved so far, and I'm absolutely certain that one day we will come back to what we have achieved and build on it. 我们已经取得了进展，相当多的进展。这些谈判不可能停止。但我们将保留迄今取得的成果，我完全相信，有朝一日我们会回到已取得的成果基础上继续推进。
Because that is my deep conviction. Globalization -- and I think we share this conviction -- is that globalization needs to be shaped politically. It needs to be given a human face. But we cannot allow to fall back into pre-globalization times. So this conclusion of trade agreements that go beyond the scope of mere tariff agreements, customs agreements, are most important, and I'm very pleased that we were able to bring this to fruition between Canada and the EU. 因为这是我深信不疑的信念。全球化——我认为我们对此有共识——全球化需要从政治层面加以塑造。它需要被赋予人性的面孔。但我们不能允许自己倒退到前全球化时代。因此，缔结超越单纯关税协定、海关协定范围的贸易协定至关重要，我很高兴我们能够在加拿大与欧盟之间实现这一目标。
We made great progress, particularly if we look at one of the great global issues -- namely, climate protection. Without the engagement of the current Administration under the leadership of Barack Obama, this Paris agreement would never have come about. There has been a change in the attitude in the United States towards that agreement, but there is also better cooperation with China. 我们取得了巨大进展，尤其是在应对重大全球性问题之一——气候保护方面。如果没有巴拉克·奥巴马领导下的本届政府的参与，《巴黎协定》永远不会达成。美国对该协定的态度有所转变，但与中国的合作也更加密切。
So last year, we were able to conclude a Paris climate agreement, which will lead the way for the rest of the world, which is ground-breaking. And together with the sustainable development goals of the agenda 2030 for the whole world, this is indeed a sea change, I think, that we see here, and, step-by-step, it will be implemented. 因此，去年我们得以缔结《巴黎气候协定》，它将为世界其他国家指明方向，具有开创性意义。再加上全球2030年议程的可持续发展目标，我认为这确实是一场深刻变革，我们正见证它的发生，并将逐步得以落实。
There's another point that I wanted to mention here, particularly, the engagement and commitment to Africa. For us Europeans, Africa as a neighboring continent is of prime importance. The development of African countries is in our very own vested interest. We, as Germans, but also we, as members of the European Union, will have to deal with this. It will be at the very top of our agenda. 我还想在这里特别提到另一点，那就是对非洲的参与和承诺。对我们欧洲人来说，非洲作为邻近大陆至关重要。非洲国家的发展符合我们的切身利益。我们德国人，同时作为欧盟成员国，必须应对这个问题。它将是我们议程的重中之重。
There are a lot of areas where we cooperate -- the fight against ISIL, for example. Here, Germany was able to contribute to a certain extent, in certain areas. We'll continue to do so -- for example, in supporting the Peshmerga, in air policing. But we also have to acknowledge that the United States of America bear most of the burden. They bear the brunt of this responsibility. 我们在很多领域开展合作——比如打击"伊斯兰国"。在这方面，德国能够在某些领域做出一定贡献。我们将继续这样做——例如，支持佩什梅格武装，执行空中警务任务。但我们也必须承认，美利坚合众国承担了大部分责任。他们肩负着重任。
So I take your remarks very seriously, Barack, that the European Union as a whole, but also Germany, needs to recognize that this is our alliance, our common alliance, our transatlantic alliance, that we have to step up our engagement. Because, in the long run, we will not be allowed to accept this imbalance as regards the contributions we give to this alliance. And we have understood this message, and we have started to react. 所以我非常认真地对待你的话，巴拉克，即整个欧盟，还有德国，都需要认识到这是我们的联盟，我们共同的联盟，我们的跨大西洋联盟，我们必须加大参与力度。因为从长远来看，我们不能接受我们对这个联盟贡献的不平衡。我们已经领会了这一信息，并已开始采取行动。
We have worked very closely together, for example, in Afghanistan. We're continuing to do so. I'm very pleased that this military engagement, together with a political road map that we've developed, we were able to continue. We want to bring about a political solution there. 我们在阿富汗等问题上合作非常密切。我们将继续这样做。我很高兴这一军事行动，连同我们制定的政治路线图，得以继续推进。我们希望在那里实现政治解决。
We work very closely together on the issue of annexation of Crimea and Russia's attempt to actually conquer Ukraine. And actually they did so -- conquered part of the territory. We tried to come to a peaceful settlement here on this. 我们在克里米亚吞并问题和俄罗斯企图征服乌克兰的问题上密切合作。事实上他们确实这么做了——征服了部分领土。我们试图就此达成和平解决方案。
So our interests are very much aligned. Our attempts of cooperation are very much aligned. We continue to build on what we've already achieved in these last months of the Administration, and we will continue also with the new Administration. 因此，我们的利益高度一致。我们的合作意愿高度一致。我们将继续在本届政府的最后几个月里巩固已取得的成果，并且也将与下一届政府继续合作。
This is the end of an eight-year cooperation that was very close, indeed. From a German point of view, German-American and European-American relations are a pillar of our foreign policy -- a foreign policy that is obviously guided by interests, but that is very much also committed to shared values. So we have a platform -- democracy, freedom, respect of human rights -- that we would like to see respected all over the world, and also a peaceful world order. We have shared those values; we continue to share those values. And obviously we will continue to cooperate with the new Administration. 这是为期八年的密切合作的结束。从德国的角度来看，德美关系和欧美关系是我们外交政策的支柱——这一外交政策显然以利益为导向，但也非常致力于共同的价值观。因此，我们有一个平台——民主、自由、尊重人权——我们希望这些价值观在全世界得到尊重，也希望世界和平有序。我们曾共享这些价值观；我们将继续共享这些价值观。显然，我们将继续与新一届政府合作。
But today, I think a word of gratitude is at hand. Thank you very much for this very close, very intensive cooperation. 但今天，我认为应该表达一声感谢。非常感谢这种非常密切、非常深入的合作。
President Obama: Well, thank you so much. It is wonderful to be back in Berlin. This is my sixth visit to Germany. It will not be my last. I have somehow continued to miss Oktoberfest. So that's probably something that is better for me to do as a former President rather than as President -- I'll have more fun. 奥巴马总统：非常感谢你。回到柏林的感觉真好。这是我第六次访问德国。不会是最后一次。不知怎么的，我总是错过慕尼黑啤酒节。所以这可能是我作为前总统比作为总统更适合做的事——那样我会玩得更开心。
It's also wonderful to be back with my great friend and ally, Chancellor Merkel. As I reflect back over the past eight years, I could not ask for a steadier or a more reliable partner on the world stage, often through some very challenging times. 能与我的好朋友和盟友默克尔总理再次相聚也非常愉快。回顾过去八年，在世界舞台上，我找不到一位比她更坚定、更可靠的伙伴，我们经常共同度过一些非常艰难的时刻。
So I want to thank you for your friendship, for your leadership, and your commitment to our alliance. And I want to thank the German people for the incredible partnership that our countries have been able to establish all these years. 因此，我要感谢你的友谊，感谢你的领导，感谢你对我们联盟的承诺。我还要感谢德国人民，感谢我们两国这些年来建立的难以置信的伙伴关系。
Last week marked the 27th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall. The United States was proud to stand with the people of Germany as this nation and this continent reunited, and rebuilt, and reached for a better future. And it's a reminder that the commitment of the United States to Europe is enduring and is rooted in the values we share -- values that Angela just mentioned: Our commitment to democracy; our commitment to rule of law; our commitment to the dignity of all people -- in our own countries and around the world. 上周是柏林墙倒塌27周年。美国自豪地与德国人民站在一起，见证了这个国家和这个大陆的重新统一、重建和对更美好未来的追求。这提醒我们，美国对欧洲的承诺是持久的，植根于我们共同的价值观——正如安格拉刚才提到的价值观：我们对民主的承诺；我们对法治的承诺；我们对所有人尊严的承诺——在我们自己的国家和全世界都是如此。
Our alliance with our NATO partners has been a cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy for nearly 70 years -- in good times and in bad, and through Presidents of both parties -- because the United States has a fundamental interest in Europe's stability and security. The commitment that Angela and I share to this guiding principle has formed the basis for our conversations this afternoon. 我们与北约伙伴的联盟近70年来一直是美国外交政策的基石——无论顺境还是逆境，无论哪个政党的总统执政——因为美国对欧洲的稳定与安全有着根本利益。安格拉和我共同秉持这一指导原则，这构成了我们今天下午会谈的基础。
We discussed our efforts to keep our countries competitive and to create jobs and opportunity on both sides of the Atlantic. The negotiations on agreements like T-TIP have been challenging, and obviously at a moment when there's concerns about globalization and the benefits that accrue to particular people, it is important that those negotiations and channels of communication remain. 我们讨论了为保持两国竞争力、在大西洋两岸创造就业和机遇所做的努力。像《跨大西洋贸易与投资伙伴关系协定》（T-TIP）这样的谈判一直充满挑战，显然，在人们对全球化及其给特定人群带来的好处感到担忧的时刻，保持这些谈判和沟通渠道的畅通非常重要。
Because, ultimately, what we have shown over the last several decades is that markets and trade and commerce can create prosperity in all of our countries -- that it's not a win-lose situation, but it can be a win-win situation. 因为归根结底，我们在过去几十年中所证明的是，市场、贸易和商业可以在我们所有国家创造繁荣——这不是零和博弈，而是可以实现双赢的局面。
And at a time when the European project is facing challenges, it's especially important to show the benefits of economic integration by continuing to invest in our people and working to reduce inequality, both within and across our countries. 在欧洲一体化进程面临挑战的时刻，通过继续投资于我们的人民、努力减少国内和国家间的不平等，来展现经济一体化的好处尤为重要。
I reiterated our hope that negotiations over the United Kingdom's exit from the EU will be conducted in a smooth and orderly and transparent fashion, and preserve as closely as possible the economic and political and security relationships between the UK and EU. And I continue to believe what I said in Hannover -- that the EU remains one of the world's great political and economic achievements and that those achievements should not be taken for granted, that they need to be nurtured and cultivated and protected and fought for. 我重申了我们的希望，即英国脱欧谈判能够以平稳、有序和透明的方式进行，并尽可能紧密地维护英国与欧盟之间的经济、政治和安全关系。我仍然相信我在汉诺威所说的话——欧盟仍然是世界上伟大的政治和经济成就之一，这些成就不应被视为理所当然，它们需要被培育、培养、保护和捍卫。
Because the achievements that we've seen on this continent, in contrast to a divided Europe of the previous century, are ones that remind us of how important it is that we work together, and that we are willing to uphold principles that have resulted in unprecedented prosperity and security throughout Europe and around the world. 因为我们在这个大陆上看到的成就，与上个世纪分裂的欧洲形成鲜明对比，提醒我们共同努力有多么重要，以及我们愿意坚持那些为整个欧洲和世界各地带来前所未有的繁荣与安全的原则有多么重要。
With the threat of climate change only becoming more urgent, Angela and I focused on the need for American and EU leadership to advance global cooperation. Both our nations were proud to join the Paris climate agreement, which the world should work to implement quickly. Continued global leadership on climate, in addition to increasing private investment in clean energy is going to be critical to meeting this growing threat. 随着气候变化的威胁变得越来越紧迫，安格拉和我重点讨论了美国和欧盟需要发挥领导作用，推动全球合作。我们两国都自豪地加入了《巴黎气候协定》，世界各国应努力尽快落实这一协定。除了增加对清洁能源的私人投资外，全球在气候问题上的持续领导对于应对这一日益严重的威胁至关重要。
Of course, we discussed our commitment to meeting shared security challenges -- from countering cyber threats to ensuring that Iran continues to live up to the terms of the Iran nuclear deal. I commended Angela for her leadership, along with President Hollande, in working to resolve the conflict in Ukraine. We continued to stand with the people of Ukraine and for the basic principle that nations have a right to determine their own destiny. And we discussed the importance of maintaining sanctions until Russia fully complies with the Minsk agreement. 当然，我们讨论了应对共同安全挑战的承诺——从应对网络威胁到确保伊朗继续遵守伊朗核协议的条款。我赞扬了安格拉与奥朗德总统一起为解决乌克兰冲突所发挥的领导作用。我们继续与乌克兰人民站在一起，坚持各国有权决定自己命运的基本原则。我们讨论了在俄罗斯全面遵守明斯克协议之前维持制裁的重要性。
As part of the coalition against ISIL, we are putting that terrorist network under tremendous pressure. Here in Berlin, this week, coalition members are meeting to ensure we remain unified and focused on our mission to destroy ISIL. We are very grateful for the vital contributions Germany has made to this fight -- training local forces in Iraq, sharing intelligence, providing reconnaissance aircraft, including the recent deployment of additional NATO AWACS. 作为打击"伊斯兰国"联盟的一部分，我们正在对这个恐怖网络施加巨大压力。本周，联盟成员正在柏林举行会议，以确保我们保持团结，专注于摧毁"伊斯兰国"的使命。我们非常感谢德国为这场斗争做出的重要贡献——训练伊拉克当地部队、共享情报、提供侦察机，包括最近部署更多北约空中预警机。
And as Iraqi forces continue the liberation of Mosul, I am pleased that NATO will be meeting the commitment we made in Warsaw to begin training additional forces in Iraq, which started this January. 随着伊拉克部队继续解放摩苏尔，我很高兴北约将履行我们在华沙做出的承诺，开始在伊拉克训练更多部队，这一工作已于今年1月启动。
We also continue to stand united with Germany and our NATO allies in our ongoing efforts to build peace and stability in Afghanistan. 我们还继续与德国和我们的北约盟友团结一致，努力在阿富汗建立和平与稳定。
On Syria, it's clear that the indiscriminate attacks on civilians by the Assad regime and Russia will only worsen the humanitarian catastrophe, and that a negotiated end to the conflict is the only way to achieve lasting peace in Syria. Angela and I also agreed on the need for a comprehensive and humane response to the devastating humanitarian crisis in Syria and for the influx of migrants and refugees from around the world. 关于叙利亚，很明显，阿萨德政权和俄罗斯对平民的滥袭只会加剧人道主义灾难，通过谈判结束冲突是实现叙利亚持久和平的唯一途径。安格拉和我还一致认为，需要对叙利亚毁灭性的人道主义危机以及来自世界各地的移民和难民涌入做出全面和人道的回应。
We need to build on the progress achieved at the U.N. Refugee Summit, which yielded new commitments from some 50 nations and organizations. The United States is doing our part by increasing the number of refugees we resettle. And I want again to commend Angela and, more importantly, the German people for the extraordinary leadership and compassion that you have shown in the face of what I know is a very difficult challenge. 我们需要在联合国难民峰会取得的进展基础上继续努力，该峰会得到了约50个国家和组织的新承诺。美国正在尽自己的一份力量，增加我们重新安置的难民数量。我要再次赞扬安格拉，更重要的是赞扬德国人民，在我所知道的这一非常困难的挑战面前，你们展现了非凡的领导力和同情心。
You are not alone in trying to deal with this challenge. This is not an issue that any one country should bear but is in need of an international response. And I not only intend to make sure that we have put in place more robust support from the United States, but I'm hoping that that continues beyond my Administration. 在应对这一挑战时，你们并不孤单。这不是任何一个国家应该独自承担的问题，而是需要国际社会共同应对。我不仅打算确保美国提供更有力的支持，而且希望这一支持在我卸任后仍将继续。
On this final visit, I am reminded of the visit I made here before I became President. It was eight years ago. I had no gray hair. But I believe today what I said then: If you want a model for what is possible, if you want to see how to build a peaceful and prosperous and dynamic society, then look at Berlin and look at Germany. Look at Chancellor Merkel. Her personal story helps to tell the story of incredible achievement that the German people have embarked on and I think is something that you should be very proud of. 在这次最后访问中，我想起了我成为总统前在这里的访问。那是八年前。那时候我还没有白头发。但我今天相信我当时所说的话：如果你想看到什么是可能的，如果你想看到如何建设一个和平、繁荣、充满活力的社会，那就看看柏林，看看德国。看看默克尔总理。她的个人故事讲述了德国人民所取得的非凡成就，我认为这是你们应该非常自豪的事情。
It is not inevitable that we make progress; it requires hard work. Sometimes it may seem as if progress is stalled. But what the history of postwar Germany shows is that strength and determination and focus and adherence to the values that we care about will result in a better future for our children and our grandchildren. 进步不是必然的；它需要努力工作。有时候进步似乎停滞不前。但战后德国的历史表明，力量、决心、专注以及对我们所珍视价值观的坚守，将为我们的子孙后代带来更美好的未来。
And on behalf of the American people, I want to thank the German people, I want to thank Chancellor Merkel, for your deep friendship and your steadfast partnership. Vielen dank. [Thank you very much.] 我代表美国人民，感谢德国人民，感谢默克尔总理，感谢你们深厚的友谊和坚定的伙伴关系。非常感谢。[德语：非常感谢。]
Mr. Earnest: Jeff Mason from Reuters. 欧内斯特先生：请路透社的杰夫·梅森提问。
Question: Thank you very much. Mr. President, you and the President-elect have very different views on Russia. After your meeting with him last week, can you assure Chancellor Merkel that a Trump Administration would also support strong sanctions against Moscow? Similarly, what have you told President Putin about Russia's influence on the U.S. election? And how would you advise European countries to deal with the same threat? And lastly, if I may, would you like to see your friend, Chancellor Merkel, run for reelection next year? [Speaks German.] 记者问：非常感谢。总统先生，你和当选总统在俄罗斯问题上的看法截然不同。你上周与他会面后，能否向默克尔总理保证，特朗普政府也会支持对莫斯科实施强硬制裁？同样，你就俄罗斯对美国大选的影响对普京总统说了什么？你会建议欧洲国家如何应对同样的威胁？最后，如果可以的话，你希望看到你的朋友默克尔总理明年竞选连任吗？[用德语发言]
President Obama: Uh-oh. Pull out your German, showing off. 奥巴马总统：哇哦。德语都用上了，在炫耀呢。
Question: [As interpreted.] Has the American President calmed you in the sense that on the policy of his successor on climate change and Russia -- he has allayed your fears? And are you concerned that the common European policy towards Russia will collapse? And after the election of Mr. Trump, would you -- as a sign of civility, wouldn't you actually have to declare that you are going to be a candidate again? 记者问：[口译] 关于继任者在气候变化和俄罗斯问题上的政策，美国总统是否让你感到放心——他是否消除了你的担忧？你是否担心欧洲对俄共同政策会瓦解？特朗普先生当选后，作为一种礼貌的表示，你难道不应该宣布自己将再次参选吗？
President Obama: Well, I try to make it a rule not to meddle in other people's politics. All I can say is that Chancellor Merkel has been an outstanding partner. And Chancellor Merkel is perhaps the only leader left among our closest allies that was there when I arrived, so, in some ways, we are now the veterans of many challenges over the last eight years. 奥巴马总统：嗯，我尽量遵循不干涉他国内政的原则。我只能说，默克尔总理一直是一位杰出的伙伴。默克尔总理可能是我们最亲密盟友中唯一一位在我上任时就在位的领导人，所以从某种意义上说，我们现在是过去八年众多挑战中的资深战友。
And although we have not always been in sync on every issue, in terms of our core values, in terms of her integrity, her truthfulness, her thoughtfulness, her doing her homework, knowing her facts, her commitment to looking out for the interests of the German people first, but recognizing that part of good leadership on behalf of the nation requires engaging the world as a whole and participating effectively in multilateral institutions, I think she's been outstanding. 尽管我们并非在每个问题上都完全一致，但在核心价值观方面，在她的正直、诚实、深思熟虑、认真准备、掌握事实方面，在她首先致力于维护德国人民利益、同时认识到一个国家的优秀领导力需要参与全球事务并有效参与多边机构方面，我认为她一直表现出色。
So it's up to her whether she wants to stand again, and then ultimately it will be up to the German people to decide what the future holds. If I were here and I were German, and I had a vote, I might support her. But I don't know whether that hurts or helps. 所以是否参选取决于她自己，最终将由德国人民决定未来会怎样。如果我在这里，如果我是德国人，如果我有投票权，我可能会支持她。但我不知道这是帮她还是害她。
With respect to Russia, my principal approach to Russia has been constant since I first came into office. Russia is an important country. It is a military superpower. It has influence in the region and it has influence around the world. And in order for us to solve many big problems around the world, it is in our interest to work with Russia and obtain their cooperation. 关于俄罗斯，我对俄罗斯的基本态度自上任以来一直没有改变。俄罗斯是一个重要的国家。它是一个军事超级大国。它在地区有影响力，在全世界也有影响力。为了让我们能够解决世界上的许多重大问题，与俄罗斯合作并获得他们的合作符合我们的利益。
I think we should all hope for a Russia that is successful, where its people are employed and the economy is growing, and they are having good relationships with their neighbors, and participating constructively on big issues like climate change. So I've sought a constructive relationship with Russia, but what I have also been is realistic in recognizing that there are some significant differences in how Russia views the world and how we view the world. 我认为我们都应该希望俄罗斯取得成功，希望其人民有工作、经济在增长、与邻国保持良好关系、在气候变化等重大问题上建设性地参与。因此，我寻求与俄罗斯建立建设性关系，但我也一直很现实地认识到，俄罗斯与我们在如何看待世界方面存在一些重大分歧。
The values that we talked about -- the values of democracy, and free speech, and international norms, and rule of law, respecting the ability of other countries to determine their own destiny and preserve their sovereignty and territorial integrity -- those things are not something that we can set aside. 我们谈到的价值观——民主、言论自由、国际规范、法治、尊重其他国家决定自己命运和维护主权与领土完整的能力——这些都是我们不能放弃的东西。
And so on issues like Ukraine, on issues like Syria, we've had very significant differences. And my hope is that the President-elect coming in takes a similarly constructive approach, finding areas where we can cooperate with Russia where our values and interests align, but that the President-elect also is willing to stand up to Russia where they are deviating from our values and international norms. 因此，在乌克兰问题上，在叙利亚问题上，我们存在非常重大的分歧。我的希望是，即将上任的当选总统能够采取类似的建设性方式，在我们的价值观和利益一致的领域与俄罗斯合作，同时当选总统也愿意在俄罗斯偏离我们的价值观和国际规范时坚定地予以反对。
And I don't expect that the President-elect will follow exactly our blueprint or our approach, but my hope is, is that he does not simply take a realpolitik approach and suggest that if we just cut some deals with Russia, even if it hurts people, or even if it violates international norms, or even if it leaves smaller countries vulnerable or creates long-term problems in regions like Syria -- that we just do whatever is convenient at the time. And that will be something that I think we'll learn more about as the President-elect puts his team together. 我并不指望当选总统会完全照搬我们的蓝图或做法，但我的希望是，他不会简单地采取现实政治的方式，认为只要我们与俄罗斯达成一些交易就行，即使这会伤害人民，即使这违反国际规范，即使这会让小国变得脆弱，或者在叙利亚等地区造成长期问题——我们就只顾眼前方便。我认为，随着当选总统组建他的团队，我们会更多地了解这方面的情况。
I am encouraged by the President-elect's insistence that NATO is a commitment that does not change. And his full commitment to NATO as the foundation for our international security I think is very important. 当选总统坚称北约是一项不会改变的承诺，这让我感到鼓舞。他对北约作为我们国际安全基础的全面承诺，我认为非常重要。
And finally, in terms of my conversations with President Putin, these are conversations that took place before the election. As I indicated, there has been very clear proof that they have engaged in cyberattacks. This isn't new. It's not unique to Russia. There are a number of states where we've seen low-level cyberattacks and industrial espionage and other behavior that we think should be out of bounds. 最后，关于我与普京总统的会谈，这些会谈发生在选举之前。正如我所指出的，有非常明确的证据表明他们参与了网络攻击。这不是新鲜事。这并非俄罗斯独有。我们在很多国家都看到过低级别的网络攻击和工业间谍活动，以及其他我们认为应该被禁止的行为。
And I delivered a clear and forceful message that, though we recognize Russia's intelligence-gathering will sometimes take place even if we don't like it, there's a difference between that and them either meddling with elections or going after private organizations or commercial entities, and that we're monitoring it carefully and we will respond appropriately if and when we see this happening. 我向他传达了一个明确而有力的信息：尽管我们认识到俄罗斯的情报收集活动有时会发生，即使我们不喜欢，但这与他们干预选举、攻击私人组织或商业实体是有区别的，我们正在密切监视，如果并且当我们看到这种情况发生时，我们将做出适当回应。
I do think that this whole area of cyber is something that, at an international level, we have to work on and develop frameworks and international norms so that we don't see a cyber arms race. A lot of countries have advanced capabilities, and given the vulnerabilities of our infrastructure and our economies to digital platforms, we have to be careful in making sure that this doesn't become a lawless, low-level battlefield. 我确实认为，在网络安全这整个领域，我们必须在国际层面开展工作，制定框架和国际规范，以避免网络军备竞赛。许多国家都拥有先进能力，鉴于我们的基础设施和经济在数字平台面前的脆弱性，我们必须小心确保这不会成为一个无法无天的低级别战场。
And we've started trying to put together some principles that were adopted in the G20, the G7, and at the U.N. levels, but a lot more work remains to be done on that front. 我们已经开始尝试制定一些原则，这些原则已在G20、G7和联合国层面获得通过，但在这方面还有很多工作要做。
Chancellor Merkel: [As interpreted.] Well, allow me if I may to underline, first of all, that I'm very much impressed that, in spite of a very tough election campaign, this transition period in the United States of America, because it follows democratic principles, is working smoothly. Because this is all about the American people, it's about the destiny of the American people, the outgoing Administration is sharing its knowledge, its expertise with the incoming Administration. 默克尔总理：[口译] 首先，请允许我强调，尽管竞选活动非常激烈，但美利坚合众国的这段过渡期——因为它遵循民主原则——进展顺利，这给我留下了非常深刻的印象。因为这一切都关乎美国人民，关乎美国人民的命运，即将卸任的政府正在与即将上任的政府分享其知识和专业知识。
And this to us is a sign of encouragement to continue the good cooperation that we have built between the United States of America and the Federal Republic of Germany. And that is in our mutual interest. 这对我们来说是一个鼓励的信号，鼓励我们继续推进美利坚合众国与德意志联邦共和国之间已经建立的良好合作。这符合我们的共同利益。
So we will continue this. I will continue this with -- I approach this with an open mind, and I'll do it on the basis of a deep conviction with President-elect Donald Trump. 所以我们将继续这样做。我将继续这样做——我以开放的心态对待这件事，我将基于坚定的信念与当选总统唐纳德·特朗普开展合作。
Secondly, on Russia. I can only repeat what the President said previously. This is all about respecting certain principles. And I'm saying this from a European vantage point, from a German vantage point. So the fact that for over 70 years, we have been able to enjoy peace, to live in peace very much depends on territorial integrity and sovereignty of each and every European country being respected. 其次，关于俄罗斯。我只能重复总统一先说过的话。这一切都关乎尊重某些原则。我是从欧洲的角度、从德国的角度说这番话的。七十多年来，我们能够享有和平、生活在和平中，这在很大程度上取决于每个欧洲国家的领土完整和主权都得到尊重。
In view of the European history, the reverse would be the start of a very bitter road down a slippery slope, and we have to nip this in the bud. We have to stand up resolutely against any such attempts. 从欧洲历史来看，相反的情况将是一条非常痛苦的滑坡之路的开始，我们必须将其扼杀在萌芽状态。我们必须坚决反对任何此类企图。
But we are pinning our hopes on political efforts. This is why we launched the Normandy Process, in close coordination with the United States of America. And particularly from a German perspective, from the European perspective, I can only say again, Russia is our neighbor. Just look at Poland -- the sort of European perspective this has. 但我们寄希望于政治努力。这就是为什么我们与美利坚合众国密切协调启动了诺曼底模式。特别是从德国的角度、从欧洲的角度，我只能再次说，俄罗斯是我们的邻国。看看波兰——就能明白这具有怎样的欧洲视角。
So we have an interest in seeing this relationship be a good one. We have a lot of historical ties, of course, a history that we share. But this mustn't keep us from, wherever we feel there are very grave differences of opinion, to raise them with them, but, again, with political means and always trying to work for political settlements. 因此，我们有兴趣看到这种关系是良好的。我们有很多历史联系，当然，我们有共同的历史。但这不应阻止我们在任何我们认为存在严重分歧的地方向他们提出这些分歧，但是，要通过政治手段，并始终努力寻求政治解决。
And this what I'm going to continue to work on with all my heart. So on the question whether I will put up a candidacy, I will do this at the appropriate time, and this is not today. 这就是我将全心全意继续努力的方向。关于我是否会参选的问题，我会在适当的时候做出决定，而不是今天。
Question: Mr. President, your country is divided. You, as first black President, as first African American President, who did so many things so differently, who raised so much hope all over the world -- do you think that you have, perhaps in a way, put too much of a strain, maybe too much of demands on the Americans? And to what extent do you think your successor may well be a threat to the rest of the world, to the security? Because there are, after all, nuclear weapons here in Germany to which he has access now. 记者问：总统先生，你的国家处于分裂状态。你作为第一位黑人总统，第一位非裔美国总统，做了如此多与众不同的事，在全世界唤起了如此多的希望——你是否认为你或许在某种程度上给美国人带来了太大的压力，或许要求太高了？你认为你的继任者在多大程度上可能对世界其他地区、对安全构成威胁？毕竟，德国境内有核武器，而他现在可以动用这些武器。
Will you want to now, Madam Chancellor, see to it under the your Administration try to make Europe and Germany less dependent on the United States? And are you afraid of this wave of populism hitting Germany, hitting Europe, as well? 默克尔总理，你现在是否打算在你的政府领导下，努力让欧洲和德国减少对美国的依赖？你是否担心这股民粹主义浪潮也会冲击德国、冲击欧洲？
And a personal question. President Obama paid tribute to you as an outstanding politician. You are somewhat more sober when you describe your partner. How difficult is it for you to take leave today of your partner? 还有一个私人问题。奥巴马总统称赞你是一位杰出的政治家。而你在描述你的伙伴时则显得更为冷静。今天与你的伙伴告别，对你来说有多难？
President Obama: My guiding principle as President has been to try to do the right thing even when it's not politically convenient; to look at long term trends in our economy, in our society, in the international sphere, and, using my best judgment, shape policies that will serve the American people, keep them safe, keep our economy growing, put people back to work, and best ensure peace, cooperation, and stability around the world. 奥巴马总统：我作为总统的指导原则一直是，即使在政治上不方便的时候也要努力做正确的事；着眼于我们经济、社会和国际领域的长期趋势，并运用我最佳的判断力，制定服务于美国人民、保障他们安全、保持经济增长、让人们重返工作岗位、最好地确保世界各地和平、合作与稳定的政策。
And based on current surveys of public opinion in the United States, it turns out that the majority of Americans think I've done a pretty good job, that we haven't, in fact, gone too fast, as you describe it. 根据目前美国的民意调查，结果是大多数美国人认为我做得相当不错，事实上，我们并没有像你描述的那样走得太快。
But what is certainly true is that the American people -- just like the German people, just like the British, and people around the world -- are seeing extraordinarily rapid change. The world is shrinking. Economies have become much more integrated, and demographics are shifting. Because of the Internet and communications, the clash of cultures is much more direct. People feel, I think, less certain about their identity, less certain about economic security. They're looking for some means of control. 但千真万确的是，美国人民——就像德国人民、英国人民以及全世界人民一样——正在见证极其迅速的变化。世界在缩小。经济一体化程度大大加深，人口结构正在发生变化。由于互联网和通讯，文化冲突更加直接。我认为，人们对自己的身份感到更加不确定，对经济安全感到更加不确定。他们在寻找某种掌控感。
And what that means is, is that the politics in all of our countries is going to require us to manage technology and global integration and all these demographic shifts in a way that makes people feel more control, that gives them more confidence in their future, but does not resort to simplistic answers or divisions of race or tribe, or the crude nationalism, which I think can be contrasted to the pride of patriotism that we all feel about our respective countries. 这意味着，我们所有国家的政治都将要求我们以一种让人们感到更有掌控力、对未来更有信心的方式，来管理技术、全球一体化以及所有这些人口结构的变化，而不是诉诸简单化的答案，或者种族和部落的分裂，或者粗俗的民族主义——我认为这可以与我们对各自国家感受到的爱国主义自豪感形成对比。
And I think that our politics everywhere are going to be going through this bumpy phase. But as long as we stay true to our democratic principles, as long as elections have integrity, as long as we respect freedom of speech, freedom of religion, as long as there are checks and balances in our governments so that the people have the ability to not just make judgments about how well government is serving them but also change governments if they're not serving them well -- then I have confidence that over the long term, progress will continue. 我认为，我们各地的政治都将经历这段颠簸的时期。但只要我们坚守我们的民主原则，只要选举是诚信的，只要我们尊重言论自由、宗教自由，只要我们的政府中有制衡机制，让人民不仅有能力判断政府为他们服务得好不好，而且在政府服务不佳时能够更换政府——那么我有信心，从长远来看，进步将继续下去。
And I think it's especially important for those of us who believe in a world where we're interdependent, that believes in mutual interests and mutual respect between nations, it's particularly important that we reach out to everybody in our countries -- those who feel disaffected, those who feel left behind by globalization -- and address their concerns in constructive ways, as opposed to more destructive ways. 我认为，对于我们这些相信一个相互依存的世界、相信国与国之间互利互敬的人来说，尤其重要的是，我们要接触我们国家的每一个人——那些感到不满的人、那些在全球化中被落下的人——并以建设性的方式解决他们的关切，而不是采取更具破坏性的方式。
And I think that can be done. But it's hard. It requires creativity. It requires effective communications. Part of what's changed in politics is social media and how people are receiving information. It's easier to make negative attacks and simplistic slogans than it is to communicate complex policies. But we'll figure it out. 我认为这是可以做到的。但这很难。这需要创造力。这需要有效的沟通。政治中变化的一部分是社交媒体以及人们获取信息的方式。发表负面攻击和简单化的口号比传达复杂的政策更容易。但我们会找到办法的。
So, ultimately, I remain optimistic about not just America's future, but the direction that the world is going in. And part of what makes me most optimistic is if you look at the attitudes of young people. Across the board, young people are much more comfortable with respecting differences. They are much more comfortable with diversity. They are much less likely to express attitudes that divide us between "us" and "them." 因此，归根结底，我不仅对美国的未来保持乐观，对世界的发展方向也保持乐观。让我最乐观的部分原因是，如果你看看年轻人的态度。总的来说，年轻人对尊重差异要坦然得多。他们对多样性要坦然得多。他们表达将我们划分为"我们"和"他们"的态度的可能性要小得多。
They see themselves as part of a global economy that they can navigate successfully, and are showing enormous creativity and entrepreneurship and working with each other across borders. 他们将自己视为全球经济的一部分，能够在其中成功前行，并展现出巨大的创造力和创业精神，跨越国界相互合作。
So that's where the future is. But we have to create that bridge to the future. And that means making sure we're paying attention to the wages of workers in countries and making sure that we're investing in their education and their skills, that we are growing the economy in smart ways and rebuilding our infrastructure and investing in science and development, and that we stay true to those values that helped get us here. And if we do that, I think we're going to be fine. 所以这就是未来所在。但我们必须搭建通往未来的桥梁。这意味着我们要关注各国工人的工资，确保我们投资于他们的教育和技能，以明智的方式发展经济，重建基础设施，投资于科学与发展，并且我们要坚守那些帮助我们走到今天的价值观。如果我们这样做，我认为我们会没事的。
Chancellor Merkel: [As interpreted.] On the issue first of independence of Germany, after the time of national socialism, Germany has been given an enormous amount of help, particularly and also from the United States of America. The fact that we were able to enjoy German unification is due first and foremost to the help of the United States of America. 默克尔总理：[口译] 首先谈谈德国的独立问题。在国家社会主义时期之后，德国得到了巨大的帮助，尤其是来自美利坚合众国的帮助。我们能够实现德国统一，首先要归功于美利坚合众国的帮助。
And ever since Germany was able to regain its unity, it is in an even stronger position to give its contribution to upholding this order to which we feel committed, and for which particularly people in the German Democratic Republic stood out there in the streets to keep this up, to maintain this order, particularly also in our country. 自从德国重新统一以来，它就处于一个更加强有力的地位，为维护我们所信奉的秩序做出贡献，特别是德意志民主共和国的人民曾走上街头维护这一秩序，维持这一秩序，尤其是在我们国家。
Now, we're trying to do more than it used to be 26 years ago. And there are a number of other areas where we have to also make a stronger contribution. We will all have to do more in development cooperation. It's important that these disparities in the living conditions cannot be allowed in this digital period to be too marked. 现在，我们正努力比26年前做得更多。在其他许多领域，我们也必须做出更大的贡献。我们都必须在发展合作方面做得更多。重要的是，在这个数字时代，生活条件的差距不能太大。
Each and every one must be given an opportunity to participate -- which is why Germany's fate, in many ways, depends on the firmness of its alliance with NATO, with the European Union. We cannot stand alone with 80 million people. In this world of today, you cannot, when you just stand on your own, achieve much -- even though you may be economically strong. So alliances are part of our destiny as a nation, part of our future as a nation. And this is what guides me in my policy, what guides my government as a whole. 每一个人都必须被给予参与的机会——这就是为什么德国的命运在很多方面取决于其与北约、与欧盟联盟的牢固程度。我们不能凭着八千万人口独自站立。在当今世界，仅凭一己之力，你无法取得太多成就——即使你在经济上可能很强大。因此，联盟是我们国家命运的一部分，是我们国家未来的一部分。这就是指导我政策的东西，也是指导我整个政府的东西。
Secondly, this wave of populism that seems to engulf us, well, look at -- and it seems, in your words, to come from the United States. Look at the European Parliament. There are a lot of people who are looking for simplistic solutions, who are sort of preaching policies of -- well, very unfriendly policies. We have them here in Europe, too. We have them here in Germany, too. 其次，这股似乎正在席卷我们的民粹主义浪潮，看看吧——而且在你看来，它似乎来自美国。看看欧洲议会。有很多人在寻找简单化的解决方案，他们在宣扬某种——嗯，非常不友好的政策。我们欧洲也有这样的人。我们德国也有。
And to take up where the President left off, digitization is, in a way, a disruptive force, a disruptive technological force that brings about deep-seated change, transformation of a society. Look at the history of the printing press -- when this was invented, what sort of consequences this had. Or industrialization -- what sort of consequences that had. 接着总统的话题说下去，数字化在某种程度上是一种颠覆性力量，一种颠覆性的技术力量，带来社会的深刻变革和转型。看看印刷术的历史——当它被发明时，带来了什么样的后果。或者工业化——那又带来了什么样的后果。
Very often it led to enormous transformational processes within individual societies, and it took a while until societies learned how to find the right kind of policies to contain this and to manage and steer this. And I think we live in a period of profound transformation, very similar to when we had a translation from agricultural societies to industrial societies. 很多时候，它导致了各个社会内部巨大的转型过程，社会需要一段时间才能学会如何找到正确的政策来遏制这种转型，并对其进行管理和引导。我认为我们生活在一个深刻转型的时期，非常类似于从农业社会向工业社会转型的时期。
Now, when we, for example, see shifts of huge production lines from certain areas to other countries, people tend to ask the question, where's my place in this modern world? We have this here, this tendency in our country. We have it in other countries. Trying to keep a society together, trying to keep the older and the younger people together, trying to keep those who live in rural areas together with those who live in cities is one of the most important and most noble tasks of politicians these days -- trying to see to it that each and every one can find his or her place. 现在，例如，当我们看到大型生产线从某些地区转移到其他国家时，人们往往会问，我在这个现代世界中的位置在哪里？我们国家有这种倾向。其他国家也有。努力让社会凝聚在一起，努力让老年人和年轻人团结在一起，努力让农村居民和城市居民团结在一起，是当今政治家最重要、最崇高的任务之一——努力确保每一个人都能找到自己的位置。
But those that belong purportedly to certain groups say, we are the people, and not the others -- that is something that we cannot allow to happen. That is something that I think, at the time when we had this in the GDR, when the people stood in the street and said, we are the people -- that was something that filled me with great joy. But the fact that this people have hijacked it is not something that fills me with great joy. We have to find new ways of addressing people, new ways of getting into contact with people. But I'm optimistic that we'll be able to do so. 但是那些声称属于某些群体的人说，我们是人民，其他人不是——这是我们不能允许发生的事情。我想，在民主德国时期，当人们走上街头说，我们是人民的时候——那是让我充满喜悦的事情。但"我们是人民"这句话被这些人劫持了，这并不能让我感到高兴。我们必须找到新的方式与人沟通，新的方式与人接触。但我很乐观，我们能够做到。
Now, taking leave from my partner and friend, well, yes, it is hard. If you've worked together with somebody very well, leave-taking is very difficult. But we are politicians. We all know that democracy lives off change. So in the United States of America, the Constitution has very clear stipulations on this. It's a tough rule -- eight years and that's it. Out goes the President and a new one comes in. 现在，与我的伙伴和朋友告别，嗯，是的，这很难。如果你和某人合作得非常好，告别就非常困难。但我们是政治家。我们都知道民主依靠变革而存在。所以在美利坚合众国，宪法对此有非常明确的规定。这是一条艰难的规则——八年就是八年。总统卸任，新总统上任。
So if it's in the German interest to have good transatlantic relations, well, the task is also to look ahead. But personal -- we have freedom of movement in the whole of Germany, so if we want to see each other, well, I'm game. So we're not completely out of this world, as we would say. 因此，如果符合德国利益的是保持良好的跨大西洋关系，那么任务也是向前看。但就个人而言——我们在整个德国都有行动自由，所以如果我们想见面，嗯，我没问题。所以我们并没有完全脱离这个世界，正如我们常说的那样。
Mr. Earnest: The next question will come from Margaret Brennan at CBS News. 欧内斯特先生：下一个问题请哥伦比亚广播公司新闻的玛格丽特·布伦南提问。
Question: Thank you very much, Mr. President. You've spoken a great deal about what you've characterized as kind of a crude form of nationalism perhaps on the rise. I'm wondering if you would advise some of those protestors at home to stop demonstrating against some of the charged rhetoric that has been used by Donald Trump. And I'm wondering, as well, if you've advised your successor to be extra mindful of what you see as some very worrisome trends, particularly when it comes to making his own potentially powerful staff picks. 记者问：非常感谢，总统先生。你谈了很多你所描述的那种粗俗民族主义可能正在抬头的情况。我想知道，你是否会建议国内的一些抗议者停止示威，反对唐纳德·特朗普使用的一些煽动性言论。我还想知道，你是否建议过你的继任者，要特别注意你认为一些非常令人担忧的趋势，尤其是在他挑选自己可能权势很大的幕僚方面。
Lastly, sir, in these final weeks of your presidency, do you believe you have any leverage to stop Bashar al-Assad and Vladimir Putin from continuing to bomb Aleppo? 最后，先生，在你总统任期的最后几周里，你认为你有任何影响力阻止巴沙尔·阿萨德和弗拉基米尔·普京继续轰炸阿勒颇吗？
Chancellor Merkel, I'd like to ask you, Bashar al-Assad has described Donald Trump as a natural ally. Your own Foreign Minister has described Donald Trump as a preacher of hate. I'm wondering, would you tell Americans that they now have a perception problem? 默克尔总理，我想问你，巴沙尔·阿萨德称唐纳德·特朗普是天然盟友。而你自己的外交部长则称唐纳德·特朗普是仇恨的传道者。我想知道，你是否会告诉美国人，他们现在有一个认知问题？
President Obama: One of the great things about our democracy is it expresses itself in all sorts of ways, and that includes people protesting. I've been the subject of protests during the course of my eight years, and I suspect that there's not a President in our history that, at some point, hasn't been subject to these protests. So I would not advise people who feel strongly or are concerned about some of the issues that have been raised during the course of the campaign -- I wouldn't advise them to be silent. 奥巴马总统：我们民主制度的伟大之处之一在于，它以各种方式表达自己，包括人们抗议。在我八年的任期内，我一直是抗议的对象，我怀疑我们历史上没有哪位总统在某个时候没有遭遇过这些抗议。所以我不会建议那些对竞选期间提出的一些问题感受强烈或感到担忧的人——我不会建议他们保持沉默。
What I would advise -- what I advised before the election and what I will continue to advise after the election -- is that elections matter, voting matters, organizing matters, being informed on the issues matter. And what I consistently say to young people -- I say it in the United States, but I'll say it here in Germany and across Europe -- do not take for granted our systems of government and our way of life. 我的建议是——我在选举前就建议过，选举后我还会继续建议——选举很重要，投票很重要，组织很重要，了解问题很重要。我一直对年轻人说——在美国我这么说，在德国和整个欧洲我也会这么说——不要把我们的政府制度和我们的生活方式视为理所当然。
I think there is a tendency -- because we have lived in an era that has been largely stable and peaceful, at least in advanced countries, where living standards have generally gone up -- there is a tendency I think to assume that that's always the case. And it's not. Democracy is hard work. 我认为存在一种倾向——因为我们生活在一个基本上稳定与和平的时代，至少在发达国家，生活水平普遍提高——我认为人们倾向于认为情况总是这样。但事实并非如此。民主是一项艰苦的工作。
In the United States, if 43 percent of eligible voters do not vote, then democracy is weakened. If we are not serious about facts and what's true and what's not -- and particularly in an age of social media where so many people are getting their information in soundbites and snippets off their phones -- if we can't discriminate between serious arguments and propaganda, then we have problems. 在美国，如果43%的合格选民不投票，民主就会被削弱。如果我们不认真对待事实和真相——尤其是在社交媒体时代，这么多人从手机上的简短片段中获取信息——如果我们无法区分严肃的论点和宣传，那么我们就有问题了。
If people, whether they are conservative or liberal, left or right, are unwilling to compromise and engage in the democratic process, and are taking absolutist views and demonizing opponents, then democracy will break down. 如果人们，无论是保守派还是自由派，左派还是右派，都不愿妥协和参与民主进程，而是采取绝对主义的立场并妖魔化对手，那么民主就会崩溃。
And so I think my most important advice is to understand what are the foundations of a healthy democracy, and how we have to engage in citizenship continuously, not just when something upsets us, not just when there's an election, or when an issue pops up for a few weeks. 因此，我认为我最重要的建议是，要了解健康民主的基础是什么，以及我们必须如何持续参与公民事务，而不仅仅是在让我们不安的时候，不仅仅是在选举的时候，或者在某个问题突然出现几周的时候。
It's hard work. And the good news is I think there are a lot of young people, certainly, who were involved in my campaigns and I think continue to be involved in work, not just politically but through nonprofits and other organizations, that can carry this hard work of democracy forward. 这是艰苦的工作。好消息是，我认为有很多年轻人，当然，他们参与了我的竞选活动，我认为他们继续参与工作，不仅仅是在政治上，而且通过非营利组织和其他组织，能够将民主的这项艰苦工作继续下去。
But I do think sometimes there's complacency. Here in Europe, I think that there are a lot of young people who forget the issues that were at stake during the Cold War, who forget what it meant to have a wall. And I'll be honest, there have been times when I listened to the rhetoric in Europe where and easily equivalence somehow between the United States and Russia, and between how our governments operate versus other governments operate -- where those distinctions aren't made. 但我确实认为有时存在自满情绪。在欧洲，我认为很多年轻人忘记了冷战时期的关键问题，忘记了有一堵墙意味着什么。老实说，有好几次我听到欧洲的言论，不知怎的把美国和俄罗斯等同起来，把我们政府的运作方式与其他政府的运作方式等同起来——没有做出这些区分。
I've said many times around the world that, like any government, like any country, like any set of human institutions, we have our flaws, we've operated imperfectly. There are times when we've made mistakes. There are times where I've made mistakes, or our Administration hasn't always aligned ourselves with the values that we need to align ourselves with. It's a work of constant improvement. 我在世界各地多次说过，就像任何政府、任何国家、任何一套人类制度一样，我们有我们的缺陷，我们的运作并不完美。有时候我们会犯错。有时候我会犯错，或者我们的政府并不总是与我们需要秉持的价值观保持一致。这是一项不断改进的工作。
But I can say to the German people that the United States has been good for Germany, has looked out for Germany, has provided security for Germany, has helped to rebuild Germany and unify Germany. And I can say, across Europe, that many principles that have been taken for granted here around free speech and around civil liberties, and an independent judiciary, and fighting corruption -- those are principles that, not perfectly, but generally, we have tried to apply not just in our own country but also with respect to our foreign policy. 但我可以对德国人民说，美国对德国是有益的，一直关照德国，为德国提供安全保障，帮助德国重建和统一。我可以说，在整个欧洲，许多在这里被视为理所当然的原则——关于言论自由、关于公民自由、关于独立司法、关于打击腐败——这些原则，虽然并不完美，但总体而言，我们不仅在本国，而且在外交政策中都努力践行。
And that should be remembered. Because in an age where there's so much active misinformation -- and it's packaged very well and it looks the same when you see it on a Facebook page or you turn on your television -- where some overzealousness on the part of a U.S. official is equated with constant and severe repression elsewhere -- if everything seems to be the same and no distinctions are made, then we won't know what to protect. 这一点应该被记住。因为在这个时代，有如此多活跃的虚假信息——而且它们被包装得很好，当你在脸书页面上或打开电视时看起来都一样——美国官员的某种过度热情被等同于其他地方持续和严重的压迫——如果一切看起来都一样，没有任何区别，那么我们就不知道该保护什么。
We won't know what to fight for. And we can lose so much of what we've gained in terms of the kind of democratic freedoms and market-based economies and prosperity that we've come to take for granted. 我们不知道该为什么而战。我们可能会失去太多我们已经获得的东西——民主自由、市场经济和我们已经习以为常的繁荣。
That was a long answer, wasn't it? I don't remember if there was a second part to it. I got all caught up in that one. 这个回答太长了，对吧？我不记得还有没有第二部分了。我完全沉浸在第一个问题里了。
Question: I asked you if you advised the President-elect on things -- 记者问：我问的是你是否就一些事情建议过当选总统——
President Obama: Yes, I did. I did. He ran a extraordinarily unconventional campaign, and it resulted in the biggest political upset in perhaps modern political history -- American history. And that means that he now has to transition to governance. And what I said to him was that what may work in generating enthusiasm or passion during elections may be different than what will work in terms of unifying the country and gaining the trust even of those who didn't support him. 奥巴马总统：是的，我建议了。我确实建议了。他开展了一场非常非常规的竞选活动，结果也许是现代政治史上——美国历史上——最大的政治冷门。这意味着他现在必须过渡到治理。我对他说的是，在选举中可能有助于激发热情或激情的做法，可能与团结国家、甚至赢得那些不支持他的人的信任所需的做法不同。
And he's indicated his willingness to -- his understanding of that. But you're absolutely right that that has to reflect itself not only in the things he says, but also how he fills out his Administration. And my hope is, is that that's something he is thinking about, because not only is the President of the United States somebody that the entire country looks to for direction but sets the agenda internationally in a lot of ways. 他已经表示愿意——他理解这一点。但你说得完全正确，这不仅必须反映在他的言论中，还必须反映在他如何组建政府上。我的希望是，他正在考虑这件事，因为美国总统不仅是全国人民寻求方向的人，而且在很多方面还设定着国际议程。
Question: And Syria? 记者问：叙利亚呢？
President Obama: With respect to Syria, we are going to continue to work, as we have over the last five, six years, to push towards a political transition and settlement. 奥巴马总统：关于叙利亚，我们将继续努力，正如我们在过去五、六年中所做的那样，推动政治过渡和政治解决。
It would be naïve of me to suggest that with Russia committed militarily as it is to supporting what, in many cases, are barbarous tactics by the Assad regime to crush the opposition, the sort of indiscriminate bombing that we've been seeing not just in Aleppo but in many parts of the country over the last several years -- it would be naïve of me to suggest that there's going to be a sudden, 180-degree turn in policy by either Assad or Russia or Iran at this point. 如果我说，随着俄罗斯像现在这样在军事上支持阿萨德政权镇压反对派的许多野蛮行径，以及我们不仅在阿勒颇而且在过去几年该国许多地区看到的那种不分青红皂白的轰炸——如果我说阿萨德、俄罗斯或伊朗此刻会突然出现180度的政策转变，那将是天真的。
But we are going to continue to make the argument. We are going to continue to try to find humanitarian steps that can reach the people there. We're going to continue to try to obtain Cessations of Hostilities that lessen the human tragedy and the migration that's taking place. 但我们将继续阐明我们的立场。我们将继续努力寻找能够到达那里人民的人道主义措施。我们将继续努力实现停火，以减轻人类悲剧和正在发生的移民问题。
But, ultimately, the way this is going to be resolved is going to have to be a recognition by Russia, and a willingness to pressure Assad that a lasting, durable peace with a functioning country requires the consent of people. You cannot purchase people's consent through killing them. They haven't made that transition yet, but we're going to keep on trying. 但归根结底，解决这个问题的方式必须是俄罗斯认识到，并愿意向阿萨德施压，即一个正常运转的国家要实现持久、可持续的和平，需要得到人民的同意。你不能通过杀戮来获得人民的同意。他们还没有实现这种转变，但我们会继续努力。
Chancellor Merkel: [As interpreted.] I think I can speak for the whole of the federal government when I say that we are no longer in election mode in the United States, we're in post-election mode. There is an interest of the Federal Republic of Germany to cooperate well with the United States of America. This goes for each and every President on the basis of shared values, and I believe that these are, indeed, shared values, and should be shared values. 默克尔总理：[口译] 我想我可以代表整个联邦政府说，我们不再处于美国的选举模式，我们处于选后模式。德意志联邦共和国有兴趣与美利坚合众国良好合作。这适用于每一位总统，基于共同的价值观，我相信这些确实是共同的价值观，也应该是共同的价值观。
So as to my position on President Assad, Assad as President has actively tried to kill his own people. He has bombed them with barrel bombs in a most terrible way. He has brought untold suffering over his people -- if you look at Aleppo and other places. When you talk to the many Syrian refugees who have fled here to Germany, they will be able to tell you their own personal story, and the majority of them -- the great majority of them -- fled from Assad, and most of them not even fled the IS. So I don't see him as an ally. 至于我对阿萨德总统的立场，阿萨德作为总统一直在积极地试图杀害自己的人民。他用 barrel bombs（桶装炸弹）以最可怕的方式轰炸他们。他给他的人民带来了无尽的苦难——看看阿勒颇和其他地方就知道了。当你与许多逃到德国的叙利亚难民交谈时，他们会告诉你他们自己的个人故事，他们中的大多数——绝大多数——是为了逃离阿萨德，其中大多数甚至不是为了逃离"伊斯兰国"。所以我不认为他是盟友。
Question: Thank you very much. Mr. President, you describe your hopes rather more in great historical terms. Let me break this down to months and years. The fact that Stephen Bannon was made as chief strategist, meeting Mr. Farage, and the fact that prominent Republican representatives did not decide to join this transition team -- what makes you confident, against the background of this, that President Trump can be a reliable partner to the world and to Europe and Germany? 记者问：非常感谢。总统先生，你更多地从伟大的历史角度描述你的希望。让我把这个问题细化到几个月和几年。斯蒂芬·班农被任命为首席策略师，与法拉奇会面，以及著名的共和党议员决定不加入这个过渡团队——在这样的背景下，是什么让你有信心认为特朗普总统能够成为世界、欧洲和德国的可靠伙伴？
Now, Madam Chancellor, if you hear those words of praise of the President with regard to you -- this, what he said, can this not sort of demand too much from you and from Germany? Because too much is demanded, too much is expected from you -- too great are the expectations, you can't meet them? 默克尔总理，如果你听到总统对你的这些赞美之词——他说的这些话，会不会对你和德国要求太高了？因为要求太多，期望太高——期望太大了，你无法满足它们？
President Obama: I'm always optimistic. There were times where I was in the Oval Office and people would come to me with all kinds of political problems and policy problems and international problems, and my team would be getting discouraged and depressed, and I would say to them, I have to be optimistic, because the odds of somebody named Barack Obama being President of the United States were very low. 奥巴马总统：我总是很乐观。曾几何时，在椭圆形办公室里，人们带着各种各样的政治问题、政策问题和国际问题来找我，我的团队会变得沮丧和消沉，我会对他们说，我必须乐观，因为一个名叫巴拉克·奥巴马的人成为美国总统的几率非常低。
And the fact that, in my lifetime, I have seen such enormous, positive change in the United States and around the world tells me that, although history does not travel in a straight line, it moves in the direction of justice and freedom and a better life for people. But we have to fight for it. We have to work for it. 而事实上，在我有生之年，我在美国和世界各地看到了如此巨大的积极变化，这告诉我，尽管历史不是一条直线，但它朝着正义、自由和人民更美好生活的方向前进。但我们必须为之奋斗。我们必须为之努力。
What makes me cautiously optimistic about my successor and the shift from campaign mode to governance is there's something about the solemn responsibilities of that office, the extraordinary demands that are placed on the United States -- not just by its own people but by people around the world -- that forces you to focus, that demands seriousness. And if you're not serious about the job, then you probably won't be there very long because it will expose problems. 让我对我的继任者以及从竞选模式向治理模式的转变持谨慎乐观态度的原因是，这个职位的庄严责任、对美国的非凡要求——不仅来自其人民，而且来自世界各地的人民——迫使你集中精力，要求你严肃认真。如果你对这份工作不认真，那么你可能不会在那个位置上待太久，因为问题会暴露出来。
Even when you're doing a job, even when you are attentive, there are so many things that come across your desk that people are going to question you, and you're going to have opponents and you're going to have critics, and you figure that out pretty fast when you're sitting there. 即使你在认真工作，即使你很用心，你桌上也会有那么多事情，人们会质疑你，你会有对手，你会有批评者，当你坐在那个位置上时，你会很快明白这一点。
And I think the President-elect is going to see fairly quickly that the demands and responsibilities of a U.S. President are not ones that you can treat casually, and that in a big, complex, diverse country, the only way that you can be successful is by listening and reaching out and working with a wide variety of people. 我认为当选总统会很快看到，美国总统的要求和责任不是你可以随便对待的，在一个庞大、复杂、多元化的国家，你能够成功的唯一途径就是倾听、伸出援手、与各种各样的人合作。
And so it is my hope that that is what will happen. And I'm going to do everything I can over the next two months to help assure that that happens. 因此，我希望这就是将会发生的事情。我将在接下来的两个月里尽我所能帮助确保这一点实现。
It is absolutely true that Chancellor Merkel is going to have significant responsibilities, has had extraordinary burdens that she's had to carry. If she chooses to continue, you're right, she will have big burdens. I wish I could be there to lighten her load somewhat, but she's tough. And I have -- I know what it means to carry burdens because the fact of the matter is, is that if there are problems around the world, the first question people ask is, why isn't Washington doing something about it? 千真万确的是，默克尔总理将肩负重大责任，她已经承担了非凡的重担。如果她选择继续，你说得对，她将肩负重任。我希望我能在那里帮她减轻一些负担，但她很坚强。我知道肩负重担意味着什么，因为事实上，如果世界上出现问题，人们问的第一个问题就是，华盛顿为什么不做点什么？
This is why it's so important not to discount or take for granted the importance of the Transatlantic Alliance. And this is probably the best place for me to end. 这就是为什么不能轻视或理所当然地看待跨大西洋联盟的重要性。这可能是我结束讲话的最佳切入点。
In international for a -- in G20s, in G7s, in the United Nations -- the United States and Germany are not always perfectly aligned. America and Europe are not always perfectly aligned. 在国际论坛上——在G20峰会上，在G7峰会上，在联合国——美国和德国并不总是完全一致。美国和欧洲并不总是完全一致。
But the voice that speaks out on behalf of some dissident who is jailed halfway around the world, the voice who is expressing concern about some child in an African village who doesn't have clean drinking water or is subject to some terrible disease, the voice that insists on rules and norms governing international affairs, the voice that helps to steer the world away from war wherever possible -- that's our voice more often than not. 但是，为世界各地某个被监禁的异见人士发声的声音，为非洲某个村庄里喝不上干净水或遭受某种可怕疾病的孩子表达关切的声音，坚持国际事务规则和规范的声音，尽可能引导世界远离战争的声音——那往往是我们的声音。
And we're not always successful. But if that voice is absent, or if that voice is divided, we will be living in a meaner, harsher, more troubled world. And we have to remember that. And whoever is the U.S. President, and whoever is the Chancellor of Germany, and whoever is the leader of other European nations and other democracies around the world -- they need to recognize that. 我们并不总是成功的。但如果那个声音消失了，或者那个声音分裂了，我们将生活在一个更刻薄、更严酷、更动荡的世界里。我们必须记住这一点。无论谁是美国总统，无论谁是德国总理，无论谁是欧洲其他国家和世界其他民主国家的领导人——他们都需要认识到这一点。
There are going to be forces that argue for cynicism, for looking the other way with somebody else's problems, that are not going to champion people who are vulnerable because sometimes that's politically convenient. And if we don't have a strong transatlantic alliance that's standing up for those things, we will be giving to our children a worse world. We will go backwards instead of forwards. 会有一些势力鼓吹犬儒主义，主张对别人的问题视而不见，不会为弱势群体挺身而出，因为有时这样做在政治上很方便。如果我们没有一个强大的跨大西洋联盟来捍卫这些东西，我们将给我们的孩子留下一个更糟糕的世界。我们将倒退而不是前进。
So whoever the U.S. President is, whoever the Chancellor of Germany is, we need to remember that. And our citizenry who decide who our Presidents and Chancellors are need to remember that. 因此，无论谁是美国总统，无论谁是德国总理，我们都需要记住这一点。我们选出总统和总理的公民也需要记住这一点。
Chancellor Merkel: [As interpreted.] It is, after all, a very good thing if, after eight years of cooperation, the President of the United States says that this is a cooperation based on friendship, that we cooperated well. I feel that this is a very good, a very positive message, and, indeed, an encouragement for me. 默克尔总理：[口译] 毕竟，如果经过八年的合作，美国总统说这是一种基于友谊的合作，我们合作得很好，这是一件非常好的事情。我觉得这是一个非常好、非常积极的信息，对我来说确实是一种鼓励。
Now, secondly, I, fortunately, know very many people -- and there are many, many more that I don't know, and many politicians -- who stand up for the same values of democracy, of liberal societies, of open societies, of respect for the dignity of man. And I feel that we are in a community of people here who stand up for these values, who try to maintain them, and wherever they are not yet respected, stand up for people's rights to enjoy them, as well. 其次，幸运的是，我认识很多人——还有更多我不认识的人，以及很多政治家——他们都在捍卫同样的民主价值观、自由社会价值观、开放社会价值观、尊重人的尊严的价值观。我觉得我们是一群捍卫这些价值观的人，我们努力维护这些价值观，在这些价值观尚未得到尊重的地方，也为人们享有这些权利挺身而出。
And this is worth every effort. But I think we're gratified to know that there are many, many people who feel committed to this goal. 这值得我们付出一切努力。但我认为，知道有许许多多的人致力于这一目标，我们感到欣慰。
Thank you very much. 非常感谢。